Hey people, here's the topic of next Sunday's gathering in Santa Monica (May 20 at 5pm; see the event listing in this tribe page). We have a speaker this time, Ron Sharrin, Buddhist Meditation teacher and psychologist at UCLA, who will talk about Buddhist Psychology and Theories of Mind. Afterwards, we will have a question and answer session with him and then, time permitting, we will do our usual back-and-forth on those (and related) philosophical issues.

The Buddhist way of looking at life and the human mind have implications for a number of traditional, western philosophical and psychological controversies, such as the nature of the human mind, the causes of suffering and happiness (and what to do about them), what human nature is (or if there is one), what constitutes a "Good Life" and "The Good," and so on. Our speaker will cover some of these questions and, during the discussion, we can ponder these issues and ask the speaker questions about them.

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I hope to see you there! Also, you can start a discussion of Buddhist Theories of the Mind and Philosophy in this thread, too.
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  • Re: Buddhist Theories of the Mind

    Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:46 AM
    For those interested, I have OPTIONAL readings that may clarify the ideas and stimulate your thinking on Buddhist theories of the mind. The following three articles and a glossary of terms from Wikipedia provide an easy, fast-reading summary of Buddhism, Buddhist psychology and its relation to western philosophy. Read any, all, or none of these:

    1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism. This summary of Buddhism is definitely the article to start with. If you don't want to read or skim the whole article (10,120 words, about 20 pages), go to the table of contents and click on the following sections most relevant to our topic: the fairly short section 4 Doctrine (2,610 words, about 5 pages) and the very short section 7 Intellectualism and Buddhist worldview (370 words, about 1.5 pages pages).
    2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd...hilosophy. An article on Buddhist philosophy (2,333 words, a bit under 5 pages).
    3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd...sychology. A quiick article on Buddhism and Western Psychology (2,891 words, about 5.5 pages).
    4. A glossary of terms used in Buddhism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd..._concepts. Look up whichever terms from the above articles that interested or baffled you.
    • Re: Buddhist Theories of the Mind

      Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:49 AM
      Here's an interesting excerpt from one of the above optional readings, the wikipedia article on Buddhism (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism):

      7 Intellectualism and Buddhist worldview

      According to the scriptures, in his lifetime, the Buddha had not answered several philosophical questions. On issues like whether the world is eternal or non-eternal, finite or infinite, unity or separation of the body and the self, complete inexistence of a person after nirvana and then death etc, the Buddha had remained silent. The scriptures explain that such questions distract from practical activity for realizing enlightenment.

      In numerous Mahayana sutras and Tantras, the Buddha stresses that Dharma (Truth) and the Buddha himself in their ultimate modus cannot truly be understood with the ordinary rational mind or logic: both Buddha and Reality (ultimately One) transcend all worldly concepts. The "prajna-paramita" sutras have this as one of their major themes. What is urged is study, mental and moral self-cultivation, and veneration of the sutras, which are as fingers pointing to the moon of Truth, but then to let go of ratiocination and to experience direct entry into Liberation itself. The Buddha in the self-styled "Uttara-Tantra", the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, insists that, while pondering upon Dharma is vital, one must then relinquish fixation on words and letters, as these are utterly divorced from Liberation and the Buddha. The Tantra entitled the "All-Creating King" (Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra) also emphasises how Buddhic Truth lies beyond the range of thought and is ultimately mysterious. The Supreme Buddha, Samantabhadra, states there:

      "The mind of perfect purity [i.e. the Awakened Mind of Buddha] ... is beyond thinking and inexplicable ... It dwells in the self-perfected bliss which is deedless and self-perfected ... I am the best path of liberation. It is a path, subtle and difficult to understand, which is non-speculative and beyond thinking ... It cannot be captured in words ... It is firm, difficult to comprehend, and totally inexplicable." (The Sovereign All-Creating Mind tr. by E.K. Neumaier-Dargyay, pp. 111–112).

      Also later, the famous Indian Buddhist yogi and teacher mahasiddha Tilopa discouraged any intellectual activity in his 6 words of advice.
      Buddhist missionaries, however, often faced philosophical questions from other religions whose answers they themselves did not know. For those, who have attachment to intellectualism, Buddhist scholars produced a prodigious quantity of intellectual theories, philosophies and worldview concepts. See e.g. Abhidharma, Buddhist philosophy and Reality in Buddhism.
      • Re: Buddhist Theories of the Mind

        Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:58 AM
        Here's another good excerpt from the same wikipedia article on Buddhism (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism). This explains the main doctrines of Buddhism, it's ideas on the human mind, happiness and suffering:

        4 Doctrine

        In Buddhism, any person who has awakened from the "sleep of ignorance" (by directly realizing the true nature of reality), without instruction, is called a buddha.[22] If a person achieves this with the teachings of a buddha, he is called an arahant[citation needed]. Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, is thus only one among other buddhas before or after him. His teachings are oriented toward the attainment of this kind of awakening, also called enlightenment, Bodhi, liberation, or Nirvana.

        Part of the Buddha’s teachings regarding the holy life and the goal of liberation is constituted by the "The Four Noble Truths", which focus on dukkha, a term that refers to suffering or the unhappiness ultimately characteristic of unawakened, worldly life. The Four Noble Truths regarding suffering state what is its nature, its cause, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation. This way to the cessation of suffering is called "The Noble Eightfold Path", which is one of the fundamentals of Buddhist virtuous or moral life.

        Numerous distinct groups have developed since the passing of the Buddha, with diverse teachings that vary widely in practice, philosophical emphasis, and culture. However, there are certain doctrines which are common to the majority of schools and traditions in Buddhism, though only Theravada regards all of them as central. About all Buddhists few valid generalizations are possible.[23]

        The Four Noble Truths

        According to the scriptures, the Buddha taught that in life there exists sorrow / suffering which is caused by desire and it can be cured (brought to cessation) by following the Noble Eightfold Path (Sanskrit: Āryāṣṭāṅgamārgaḥ , Pāli: Ariyo Aṭṭhaṅgiko Maggo). This teaching is called the Catvāry Āryasatyāni (Pali: Cattāri Ariyasaccāni), the "Four Noble Truths".

        1. Suffering: Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.
        2. The cause of suffering: The desire which leads to renewed existence (rebirth) (the cycle of samsara)
        3. The cessation of suffering: The cessation of desire.
        4. The way leading to the cessation of suffering: The Noble Eightfold Path;

        According to the scriptures, the Four Noble Truths were among the topics of the first sermon given by the Buddha after his enlightenment,[24] which was given to the five ascetics with whom he had practiced austerities, and were originally spoken by the Buddha, not in the form of a religious or philosophical text, but in the form of a common medical prescription of the time. The traditional understanding in the Theravada is that these are an advanced teaching for those who are ready for them.[25]

        The Noble Eightfold Path

        The eight-spoked Dharmachakra. The eight spokes represent the Noble Eightfold Path of Buddhism.
        According to a saying attributed in some traditions to the Buddha, if a person does not follow the Eightfold Path, one lives one's life like a preoccupied child playing with toys in a house that is burning to the ground.[26]

        The Noble Eightfold Path is the way to the cessation of suffering, the fourth part of the Four Noble Truths. This is divided into three sections: Sila (which concerns wholesome physical actions), Samadhi (which concerns the meditative concentration of the mind) and Prajñā (which concerns spiritual insight into the true nature of all things).

        Sila is morality — abstaining from unwholesome deeds of body and speech. Within the division of sila are three parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:

        1. Right Speech — One speaks in a non hurtful, not exaggerated, truthful way (samyag-vāc, sammā-vācā)
        2. Right Actions — Wholesome action, avoiding action that would do harm (samyak-karmānta, sammā-kammanta)
        3. Right Livelihood — One's way of livelihood does not harm in any way oneself or others; directly or indirectly (samyag-ājīva, sammā-ājīva)

        Samadhi is developing mastery over one’s own mind. Within this division are another three parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:
        1. Right Effort/Exercise — One makes an effort to improve (samyag-vyāyāma, sammā-vāyāma)
        2. Right Mindfulness/Awareness — Mental ability to see things for what they are with clear consciousness (samyak-smṛti, sammā-sati)
        3. Right Concentration — Being aware of the present reality within oneself, without any craving or aversion. (samyak-samādhi, sammā-samādhi)

        Prajñā is the wisdom which purifies the mind. Within this division fall two more parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:
        1. Right Thoughts — Change in the pattern of thinking. (samyak-saṃkalpa, sammā-saṅkappa)
        2. Right Understanding — Understanding reality as it is, not just as it appears to be. (samyag-dṛṣṭi, sammā-diṭṭhi)

        The word samyak means "perfect". There are a number of ways to interpret the Eightfold Path. On one hand, the Eightfold Path is spoken of as being a progressive series of stages through which the practitioner moves, the culmination of one leading to the beginning of another, whereas others see the states of the 'Path' as requiring simultaneous development. It is also common to categorize the Eightfold Path into prajñā (Pāli paññā, wisdom), śīla (Pāli sīla, virtuous behavior) and samādhi (concentration).
        Bodhi


        Gautama Buddha, Gandhara, northern Pakistan.

        Bodhi (Pāli and Sanskrit बॊधि, lit. awakening) is a term applied in Buddhism to the specific awakening experience attained by the Buddha. When used in a generic sense, a buddha is generally considered to be a person who discovers the true nature of reality through lifetimes of spiritual cultivation, investigation of the various religious practices of his time, and meditation. This transformational discovery is called Bodhi (literally, "awakening" — more commonly called "enlightenment"). In Sino-Japanese Buddhism (Zen) this experience is called Satori.
        After attainment of Bodhi, it is believed one is freed from the compulsive cycle of saṃsāra: birth, suffering, death and rebirth, and attains the "highest happiness" (Nirvana, as described in the Dhammapada). Bodhi is attained only by the accomplishment of the pāramitās (perfections), when the Four Noble Truths are fully grasped, and when all karma has reached cessation. At this moment, all greed (lobha), hatred (Pali dosa), delusion (moha), ignorance (Sanskrit avidyā, Pāli avijjā), craving (Sanskrit tṛṣṇā, Pāli taṇhā) and belief in self(ātmān, Pāli attā) are extinguished. Bodhi thus implies understanding of anātman (Pāli anatta), the absence of ego-centeredness. All schools of Buddhism recognize three types of Bodhi. They are Śrāvakabodhi (Pāli: Sāvakabodhi), Pratyekabodhi (Pāli: Paccekabodhi) and Samyaksambodhi (Pāli: Sammāsambodhi), the perfect enlightenment by which a bodhisattva becomes a fully enlightened buddha.

        According to a saying attributed in some traditions to the Buddha, if a person does not follow the goal of Total Realization, one lives one's life like a preoccupied child playing with toys in a house that is burning to the ground.[27] The aspiration to attain the state of samyaksambodhi, known as the Bodhisattva ideal, is considered as the highest ideal of Buddhism.

        Middle Way

        The primary guiding principle of Buddhist practice is the Middle Way which was discovered by the Buddha prior to his enlightenment (bodhi). The Middle Way or Middle Path has several definitions:

        1. It is often described as the practice of non-extremism; a path of moderation away from the extremes of self-indulgence and opposing self-mortification.
        2. It also refers to taking a middle ground between certain metaphysical views, e.g. that things ultimately either exist or do not exist.[28]
        3. An explanation of the state of nirvana and perfect enlightenment where all dualities fuse and cease to exist as separate entities (see Seongcheol).


        Refuge in the Three Jewels

        Acknowledging the Four Noble Truths and making the first step in the Noble Eightfold Path requires taking refuge, as the foundation of one's religious practice, in Buddhism's Three Jewels (Sanskrit: त्रिरत्न Triratna or रत्नत्रय Ratna-traya, Pali: तिरतन Tiratana).[29] Tibetan Buddhism sometimes adds a fourth refuge, in the lama. The person who chooses the bodhisattva path makes a vow/pledge. This is considered the ultimate expression of compassion.

        The Three Jewels are:

        • The Buddha (i.e., Awakened One). This is a title for those who attained Awakening similar to the Buddha and helped others to attain it. See also the Tathāgata and Śākyamuni Buddha. The Buddha could also be represented as the wisdom that understands Dharma, and in this regard the Buddha represents the perfect wisdom that sees reality in its true form.
        • The Dharma: The teachings or law as expounded by the Buddha. Dharma also means the law of nature based on behavior of a person and its consequences to be experienced (action and reaction). It can also (especially in Mahayana Buddhism) connote the ultimate and sustaining Reality which is inseverable from the Buddha.
        • The Sangha: This term literally means "group" or "congregation," but when it is used in Buddhist teaching the word refers to one of two very specific kinds of groups: either the community of Buddhist monastics (bhikkhus and bhikkhunis), or the community of people who have attained at least the first stage of Awakening (Sotapanna (pali) — one who has entered the stream to enlightenment). According to some modern Buddhists, it also consists of laymen and laywomen, the caretakers of the monks, those who have accepted parts of the monastic code but who have not been ordained as monks or nuns.

        According to the scriptures, The Buddha presented himself as a model and besought his followers to have faith (Sanskrit श्रद्धा śraddhā, Pāli saddhā) in his example of a human who escaped the pain and danger of existence. The Dharma, i.e. the teaching of the Buddha, offers a refuge by providing guidelines for the alleviation of suffering and the attainment of enlightenment. The Saṅgha (Buddhist Order of monks) provides a refuge by preserving the authentic teachings of the Buddha and providing further examples that the truth of the Buddha's teachings is attainable.

        In certain Mahayana sutras, the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha are viewed essentially as One: all three are seen as the eternal Buddha himself.

        Many Buddhists believe that there is no otherworldly salvation from one's karma. The suffering caused by the karmic effects of previous thoughts, words and deeds can be alleviated by following the Noble Eightfold Path, although the Buddha of some Mahayana sutras, such as the Lotus Sutra, the Angulimaliya Sutra and the Nirvana Sutra, also teaches that powerful sutras such as the above-named can, through the very act of their being heard or recited, wholly expunge great swathes of negative karma.

        Śīla: virtuous behavior and the precepts

        Śīla (Sanskrit) or sīla (Pāli) is usually rendered into English as "behavioral discipline", "morality", or ethics. It is often translated as "precept". It is an action that is an intentional effort. It is one of the three practices (sila, samadhi, and panya) and the second pāramitā. It refers to moral purity of thought, word, and deed. The four conditions of śīla are chastity, calmness, quiet, and extinguishment, i.e. no longer being susceptible to perturbation by the passions.[citation needed]

        Sīla refers to overall (principles of) ethical behavior. There are several levels of sila, which correspond to 'basic morality' (five precepts), 'basic morality with asceticism' (eight precepts), 'novice monkhood' (ten precepts) and 'monkhood' (Vinaya or Patimokkha). Lay people generally undertake to live by the five precepts which are common to all Buddhist schools. If they wish, they can choose to undertake the eight precepts, which have some additional precepts of basic asceticism.

        The five precepts are not given in the form of commands such as "thou shalt not ...", but are training rules in order to live a better life in which one is happy, without worries, and can meditate well.

        1. To refrain from taking life. (i.e. non-violence towards sentient life forms)
        2. To refrain from taking that which is not given (i.e. not committing theft)
        3. To refrain from sensual misconduct (abstinence from immoral sexual behavior)
        4. To refrain from lying. (i.e. speaking truth always)
        5. To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness (refrain from using drugs or alcohol)
        In the eight precepts, the third precept on sexual misconduct is made more strict, and becomes a precept of celibacy.
        The three additional rules of the eight precepts are:
        6. To refrain from eating at the wrong time (only eat from sunrise to noon)
        7. To refrain from dancing, using jewelery, going to shows, etc.
        8. To refrain from using a high, luxurious bed.

        Vinaya is the specific moral code for monks. It includes the Patimokkha, a set of 227 rules in the Theravadin recension. The precise content of the vinayapitaka (scriptures on Vinaya) differ slightly according to different schools, and different schools or subschools set different standards for the degree of adherence to Vinaya. Novice-monks use the ten precepts, which are the basic precepts for monastics.
        In Eastern Buddhism, there is also a distinctive Vinaya and ethics contained within the Mahayana Brahmajala Sutra (not to be confused with the Pali text of that name) for Bodhisattvas, where, for example, the eating of meat is frowned upon and vegetarianism is actively encouraged (see vegetarianism in Buddhism).

        Samadhi/Bhāvana (Meditative cultivation)

        In the language of the Noble Eightfold Path, samyaksamādhi is "right concentration". The primary means of cultivating samādhi is meditation. Almost all Buddhist schools agree that the Buddha taught two types of meditation, viz. samatha meditation (Sanskrit: śamatha) and vipassanā meditation (Sanskrit: vipaśyanā). Upon development of samādhi, one's mind becomes purified of defilement, calm, tranquil, and luminous.

        Once the meditator achieves a strong and powerful concentration (jhāna, Sanskrit ध्यानम् dhyāna), his mind is ready to penetrate and gain insight (vipassanā) into the ultimate nature of reality, eventually obtaining release from all suffering. The cultivation of mindfulness is essential to mental concentration, which is needed to achieve insight.

        Samatha Meditation starts from being mindful of an object or idea, which is expanded to one's body, mind and entire surroundings, leading to a state of total concentration and tranquility (jhāna) There are many variations in the style of meditation, from sitting cross-legged or kneeling to chanting or walking. The most common method of meditation is to concentrate on one's breath, because this practice can lead to both samatha and vipassana.

        In Buddhist practice, it is said that while samatha meditation can calm the mind, only vipassanā meditation can reveal how the mind was disturbed to start with, which is what leads to jñāna (Pāli ñāṇa knowledge), prajñā (Pāli paññā pure understanding) and thus can lead to nirvāṇa (Pāli nibbāna).

        Prajñā (Wisdom)

        Prajñā (Sanskrit) or paññā (Pāli) means wisdom that is based on a realization of dependent origination, The Four Noble Truths and Noble Eightfold Path. Prajñā is the wisdom that is able to extinguish afflictions and bring about bodhi. It is spoken of as the principal means, by its enlightenment, of attaining nirvāṇa, through its revelation of the true nature of all things. Prajñā is also listed as the sixth of the six pāramitās.

        Initially, prajñā is attained at a conceptual level by means of listening to sermons (dharma talks), reading, studying and sometimes reciting Buddhist texts and engaging in discourse. The Buddha taught dharma to his disciples mainly through the mean of discourse or sermon,[citation needed] many attaining bodhi upon hearing the Buddha's discourse.

        Once the conceptual understanding is attained, it is applied to daily life so that each Buddhist can verify the truth of the Buddha's teaching at a practical level. Lastly, one engages in insight (vipassanā, Sanskrit vipaśyanā) meditation (Citation needed) to attain such wisdom at intuitive level. It should be noted that one could theoretically attain bodhi at any point of practice, while listening to a sermon, while conducting business of daily life or while in meditation.
        • Re: Buddhist Theories of the Mind

          Thu, May 24, 2007 - 6:16 PM
          A few people after the discussion Sunday wanted to know the titles of the books that our speaker, Ron Sharrin, mentioned during his presentation of Buddhist thought. I hope this is useful!

          "The Illusion of Conscious Will" by Wegner
          "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by McEvilly
          "Being and Time" by Martin Heidegger
          "The Heart of Philosophy" by Jacob Needleman
          • Re: Buddhist Theories of the Mind

            Fri, May 25, 2007 - 1:51 PM
            ...the speaker just gave me the title of another book he mentioned at the meeting:

            "Choosing Reality" by A. Wallace (it's a very good overview on the convergence of Buddhism and quantum mechanics).
            • Re: Four Critiques of Buddhism

              Sat, November 17, 2007 - 12:22 PM
              [Typographical note: This web site does not accommodate italicization, for which I will substitute CAPITALIZATION.]

              Four Critiques of Buddhism

              One. A fundament of Buddhism is the nonexistence of the self. Suffering, however, is not an unindividuated mass, like air, but rather an (INDIVIDUAL) EXPERIENCE: When I die, MY suffering ends, YOURS continues. The SELF is the individual: I am MYSELF; you, YOURSELF. Were there no self, no one would suffer, and there would be no suffering; but, obviously, and as Buddhism recognizes, suffering exists. Hence, there IS a self: it is that which suffers.

              Two. The first of Buddhism's "Four Noble Truths" declares that the ultimate aim is to eliminate suffering. That is a valid goal, and yet the most efficient means to its attainment is suicide, which seems a bad remedy. The resolution is that the cessation of suffering is only HALF the object: We live, not merely to extinguish the negative (such as suffering), but as well to effect the positive (such as joy and enlightenment). Death is an unsatisfactory solution because, though it achieves the former, it also precludes the latter. Verily, the termination of suffering is a reason NOT to live; not a reason to LIVE.

              Three. Buddhism's fourth "Noble Truth," which in essence teaches that enlightenment, and only enlightenment, liberates us from suffering, is equally problematic, thus. If an enlightened person with terminal cancer runs out of pain medicine, he will suffer, despite his enlightenment; nor are philosophers immune to boredom, depression, or sadness. Conversely, a dose of heroin will (at least temporarily) disperse an ignorant man's anguish; and there is much truth in the old saying "Ignorance is bliss." In reality, both the wise man and the fool can experience both agony and ecstacy. Wisdom and happiness have precious little to do with each other.

              Four. The second and third of the "Noble Truths" likewise address the problem of suffering: the second identifies desire as the cause; the third, the removal of desire as the cure. These two statements imply that desire is . . . undesirable. But far from being detrimental to us, desire is essential to our humanity: love, for instance, involves the desire for another, or for his welfare; nay, our very EXISTENCE depends on our desire to LIVE. This denigration of desire, moreover, taken together with the first Noble Truth's focus on (the negation of) (the feeling of) pain, and the fourth Truth's prescription of "enlightenment" as the spiritual panacea, produces an unwholesome bias for EXPERIENCE over ACCOMPLISHMENT: a bias, for example, that, confronted with the young Mozart, miserable in the frustration of his desire to compose, might have counseled him to abandon the desire. Surely, though, the world is better off that Mozart FOLLOWED that thirst. Indeed, it is hard to imagine that MOZART, having fulfilled his life's passion, and actualized his genius, regretted not taking an alternate path--including experiencing the pleasurable sensation of "enlightenment." (And, apropos, men who have accomplished a body of written work on Buddhism, likely a source of considerable pride and satisfaction for them, urging the rest of us to give up striving for accomplishment, and to just meditate instead--is that not disingenuous?) The truth is that, what is gratifying or meaningful--what constitutes a good life--what makes life worth living--is something each person must determine for himself, in light of his own interests, values, abilities; which determination will be different for the Buddha, Plato, Newton, Freud, and Mozart. To proclaim one sort of life, one sort of pursuit, as right for everyone, is downright . . . unenlightened.

              – Richard J. Eisner (11/17/2007; 1-818-343-0123; rjeisner@ix.netcom.com)
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                Re: Four Critiques of Buddhism

                Sun, November 18, 2007 - 12:16 PM
                A Critique Critique

                One. Yes, you are correct in the whole "non-self" fundament of Buddhism. A fundament with which I wholeheartedly disagree. It is my opinion that the "non-existence of self" thing comes from a perversion of Buddha's teachings that a big problem with how we interact with the world is our own ego. I.E., that our ego -- our blind attachment to what *I* see, what *I* know, what *I* want, etc., -- prevents us from seeing reality and interacting with reality as it IS instead of how we think it should be or how we want it to be. I think "your ego is a bad thing" got seriously twisted into "the only way to reach enlightenment is to realize that you don't exist".

                Two. The first of Buddhism's four noble truths does NOT declare that the ultimate aim is to eliminate suffering. While one of the fundamental goals of Buddhism IS to eliminate (or reduce, IMO, because the concept that ALL suffering can be somehow "eliminated" is just idealistic nonsense), the First Noble Truth says nothing about eliminating suffering. It is merely the statement that "All life is suffering". The thinking being that we're all suffering from the moment we're born to the moment we die and then even afterwards when we're reincarnated. Personally, I think that's all a load of hooey, anyway. In my view, a more proper reading should be that "All life INCLUDES suffering". Which it does. There is no denying it. At some point in our lives, we are suffering, have suffered or are going to suffer. And if that somehow happens to not be true, our life STILL "includes" suffering because, at some point in our lives, we are causing suffering, have caused suffering or are going to cause suffering.

                Three. Buddhism's fourth Noble Truth does NOT teach that "enlightenment, and only enlightenment, liberates us from suffering". The Fourth Noble Truth states that the elimination of suffering can be accomplished through elimination of attachment (see below) by following the Eightfold Path. I'm fairly well convinced that the concept of enlightenment was an unnecessary addition tacked on by loser religious leaders who wanted to preach good living but didn't want to live it themselves. That way they could say that somebody who was living a good life and following the Eightfold Path (and thereby reducing their own suffering if not necessarily the suffering of others) was somehow "different" or "elevated" than the people who were not. Plus, it just makes it sound better to say that the guy who came up with your philosophy was "better" (enlightened) than everyone else. Which is why Siddartha Gautama ended up in a lot of Buddhist sects becoming some god-like being or ten-billionth-reincarnation of whatever instead of just some guy who looked around one day and went "Cripes, isn't there more to life than this!?"

                Four. While the Second Noble Truth of SOME Buddhist sects claim that "desire" is the cause of suffering, many others claim that it is the more accurate "attachment" that is the cause. Desire is common, normal and human. Desire can not, nor SHOULD not, be eliminated. We're going to want things. Period. End of story. It is when we let our "want" become "obsession" that we suffer. It is when we attach ourselves to any one thing (and yes, that even means attachment to Buddhism) that we suffer mentally and emotionally when that thing changes or is taken from us. So, the Third Noble Truth comes in and says that if we don't have that attachment, we won't suffer. I.E., if we're ATTACHED to the idea of that ice-cream cone -- that "I really, really, REALLY want an ice-cream cone and nothing else will do" attitude -- then we're making ourselves suffer, but if we only WANT (or desire) an ice-cream cone, and don't get it, it's no big deal. And if it's no big deal, then you ain't suffering. Easy. Now, I'm not exactly certain that the Buddha was even addressing physical suffering when he laid down the Four Noble Truths. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that he was talking about mental, emotional and spiritual suffering. But even when it comes to physical suffering, well, I've seen people get smacked the same way by the same opponent in the sparring ring and one guy shrugs it off and keeps going while the other guy cries out, collapses and has to leave the ring. Me? I've been smacked lots of times. I don't consider myself a tough person. Getting punched in the face, kicked in the gut or smacked on the knuckles with a bamboo staff HURTS. But I don't ATTACH to the hurt, or the pain, or the fact that I got hit, and I consequently don't think that I suffer as much from that physical pain as th person who DOES attach to it.

                And as for the whole "one way right for everyone" thing, the Buddha said repeatedly during his life that the Middle Way was not for everyone. He said repeatedly that each person has their own path to follow. Even on his deathbed he urged his followers to be "lanterns unto yourselves". To follow their experiences in the world and not blindly follow the teachings of others, including his own. But, of course, that kind of "walk the path on your own" thinking doesn't make for very good support-the-priesthood style preaching that organized religions reply upon to justify their own existence.

                Now, I don't doubt that you have seen the kinds of teachings that you mention in your critique. In fourteen years of being a Buddhist, I've seen a lot of crazy crap myself. Some of the stuff is WAY out there. But, you know, every religion (and philosophy) has its cults. You can't condemn everyone based on the words or actions of a few nutcases. If you did, you'd pretty much have to condemn EVERYTHING!

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