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Hi everyone! We are having our usual monthly gathering this Sunday in Santa Monica (11-23-08; see the event listing nearby on this tribe page). I hope to see you there! Whether or not you come to Sunday's meeting, feel free to carry on a discussion by posting your own ideas here, either before or after Sunday's meeting.
Here's the "official" wording of this very timely topic, which was the winner of the email voting this week:
IS "BEING A RATIONAL PERSON" A MATTER ONLY OF YOUR MEANS OR OF YOUR ULTIMATE ENDS, TOO? Many or most contemporary philosophers think that you can reason only about the means to your ends, but not about your ultimate ends (goals and values) themselves. In this view, rational means are those means that effectively and efficiently bring about your ends. However, rationality simply doesn't apply to ultimate ends; it doesn’t make sense to talk about your ultimate ends as being either rational or irrational. This is called the Instrumental view.
Of course, most of your life's ends are themselves means to your other, more important or longer term ends, so rational considerations apply to them. Some of your ends, though, are ultimate ends; they are not means to any other ends. These ultimate ends are valuable in themselves, rather than merely instrumentally valuable (valuable for sake of something else).
If these philosophers are right about ends being non-rational, then you are stuck with the uncomfortable conclusion that the ultimate goals and values you strive for are arbitrary and unjustifiable choices. When you think you are reasoning about your ultimate ends, you are simply choosing those that most appeal to you, or that your brain or environment has compelled you to prefer. When you think you're being reasonable in condemning the ultimate ends of people who seem ignorant, immoral or crazy, you are confused or under an illusion.
Yet, few of you, undoubtedly, think of or experience your most important, ultimate goals and values as mere matters of taste or arbitrary preference. A minority of philosophers agrees; your natural, everyday experience that certain ends are better or more justifiable than others is correct. This is called the Substantive view. Who's right?
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Terminological Note:
In the readings on the issue, this above dispute has often been called the debate between the instrumental (or procedural) doctrine of practical rationality versus the substantive (or "non-instrumental") doctrine of practical rationality. Sometimes the term "maximizing" rationality is used to talk about the kind of instrumental rationality where you take into account not merely efficient means to your ends, but also with, as the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy put it, "with the coordinated achievement of the totality of an agent's ends," e.g., try to increase the consistency or coherence of your various ends, deciding which are most important, determining the means to best achieve the most important of them, and so on.
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See you Sunday!
Brian
Here's the "official" wording of this very timely topic, which was the winner of the email voting this week:
IS "BEING A RATIONAL PERSON" A MATTER ONLY OF YOUR MEANS OR OF YOUR ULTIMATE ENDS, TOO? Many or most contemporary philosophers think that you can reason only about the means to your ends, but not about your ultimate ends (goals and values) themselves. In this view, rational means are those means that effectively and efficiently bring about your ends. However, rationality simply doesn't apply to ultimate ends; it doesn’t make sense to talk about your ultimate ends as being either rational or irrational. This is called the Instrumental view.
Of course, most of your life's ends are themselves means to your other, more important or longer term ends, so rational considerations apply to them. Some of your ends, though, are ultimate ends; they are not means to any other ends. These ultimate ends are valuable in themselves, rather than merely instrumentally valuable (valuable for sake of something else).
If these philosophers are right about ends being non-rational, then you are stuck with the uncomfortable conclusion that the ultimate goals and values you strive for are arbitrary and unjustifiable choices. When you think you are reasoning about your ultimate ends, you are simply choosing those that most appeal to you, or that your brain or environment has compelled you to prefer. When you think you're being reasonable in condemning the ultimate ends of people who seem ignorant, immoral or crazy, you are confused or under an illusion.
Yet, few of you, undoubtedly, think of or experience your most important, ultimate goals and values as mere matters of taste or arbitrary preference. A minority of philosophers agrees; your natural, everyday experience that certain ends are better or more justifiable than others is correct. This is called the Substantive view. Who's right?
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Terminological Note:
In the readings on the issue, this above dispute has often been called the debate between the instrumental (or procedural) doctrine of practical rationality versus the substantive (or "non-instrumental") doctrine of practical rationality. Sometimes the term "maximizing" rationality is used to talk about the kind of instrumental rationality where you take into account not merely efficient means to your ends, but also with, as the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy put it, "with the coordinated achievement of the totality of an agent's ends," e.g., try to increase the consistency or coherence of your various ends, deciding which are most important, determining the means to best achieve the most important of them, and so on.
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See you Sunday!
Brian
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 1:14 PMOPTIONAL READINGS: I have two optional readings this month. I highly encourage you to inspire and clarify your thinking on the ideas and debates by reading or skimming to either or both of the following. Here's the first of them:
1. "Wants Found Wanting" by philosopher Nicholas Rescher, at 2 or 3 pages, is from TPM, The Philosophers Magazine, at www.philosophersnet.com/magazi...cle.php
However, you probably need a subscription to this good magazine to access this article, so I've pasted the article below .
HERE'S THE FULL TEXT OF THE ARTICLE:
Wants Found Wanting
Nicholas Rescher
Economists, decision theorists, and utilitarian philosophers often maintain that rationality turns on the intelligent cultivation of one's preferences. But this is problematic in the extreme. We cannot extract judgmental rationality from preferences because mere preferences as such are unevaluated wants, and there is no such rationality without evaluation. After all, what I want or merely think to be good for me is one thing; what I need and what actually is good for me is another. To move from preferences and perceived interests to genuine benefits and real interests I must engage in a rational critique of ends – to examine in the light of objective standards whether what I desire is desirable, whether my actual ends are rational ends, whether my putative interests are real interests. The genuinely rational person is the one who proceeds in situations of choice by asking not the introspective question “What do I prefer?” but the objective question: “What is to be deemed preferable? What ought I to prefer on the basis of my best interests?” Rational comportment does not just call for desire satisfaction, it demands desire management as well. The question of appropriateness becomes crucial here. And this is an issue about which people can be – and often are – irrational; not just careless but even perverse, self-destructive, and crazy. We pursue mere will-o'-the-wisps when we impute to our ends a weight and value they do not in fact have.
We should certainly not deny the personalistic element of subjectively originating tastes, desires, inclinations, and personal involvements. But we should insist that they ultimately have a footing in our genuine needs. Wants and preferences as such are not enough; legitimate values must have a rationale. Consider the contrast between:
• professed wants: what I say or declare that I want or prefer;
• felt wants: what I (actually) do want or prefer;
• real (or appropriate) wants and actual needs: what the reasonable (impartial, well-informed, well-intentioned, understanding) bystander would maintain that I ought to want on the basis of what is “in my best interests”.
It is this last item – namely what is in my “real” or “best” interests – that is decisive for rationality. Rationality, then, is not just a matter of doing what we want (if this were so, it would be far simpler to attain), but a matter of doing what we (rationally) ought, given the situation in which we find ourselves.
The rationality of ends is essential to rationality as such; there is no point in running, however swiftly, to a destination whose attainment conveys no benefit. It is useless to maintain “rational consonance” with what we believe or do or value if those items with respect to which we relativise are not themselves rational in the first place. More is at issue with rationality than a matter of strict instrumentality – mere effectiveness in the pursuit of arbitrarily selected ends, no matter how inappropriate they may be. The rational appropriateness and legitimacy of ends is thus an indispensable aspect of rationality at large.
Contentions like “Smith is selfish, inconsiderate and boorish” accordingly do not lie outside the sphere of rational inquiry; nor for that matter do contentions like “Behaviour that is selfish/inconsiderate/boorish is against the best interest of people.” The issue of appropriate action in the circumstances in which we find ourselves is pivotal for rationality. Be it in matters of belief, action, or evaluation, we want – that is to say, often do and always should want – to do the best we can. One cannot be rational without due care for the desirability of what one desires – the issue of its alignment with our real, as distinguished from our putative, or merely seeming interests.
But just what is it that is in a person's real or best interests? Partly, this is indeed a matter of meeting the needs that people universally have in common: health, satisfactory functioning of body and mind, adequate resources, human companionship and affection, and so on. Partly, it is a matter of the particular role one plays: co-operative children are in the interests of a parent, customer loyalty in those of a shopkeeper. Partly, it is a matter of what one simply happens to want. (If John loves Mary, then engaging Mary's attention and affections are in John's interests – some sorts of things are in a person's interests simply because he takes an interest in them.) But these want-related interests are valid only by virtue of their relation to universal interests. Mary's approbation is in John's interest only because “having the approbation of someone we love” is always in anyone's interest. Any valid specific interest must fall within the validating scope of an appropriate universal covering principle of interest legitimation. (The development of my stamp collection is in my interest only because it is part of a hobby that constitutes an avocation for me and “securing adequate relaxation and diversion from the stress of one's daily cares” is something that is in anyone's interests.)
But what of those “mere whims and fancies”? If I have a yen for eating crabgrass then is my doing so not a perfectly appropriate “interest” of mine? Yes it is. But only because it is covered by a perfectly cogent universal interest, namely that of “Doing what I feel like doing in circumstances where neither injury to me nor harm to others is involved.” A specific (concrete, particular) interest of a person is valid as such only if it can be subordinated to a universal interest by way of having a basis in people's legitimate needs. It is these higher-level principles that are the controlling factors from the standpoint of reason. Only through coming under the aegis of those larger universal needs can our idiosyncratic want come to be validated.
The person who does not give such manifest desiderata their due, who may even set out to frustrate their realisation, is clearly not being rational. This certainly can, and does, happen. Like various beliefs, various evaluations are palpably crazy. Reason, after all, is not just a matter of the compatibility or consistency of pre-given commitments, but of the warrant that there is for undertaking certain commitments in the first place. An evaluative rationality which informs us that certain preferences are absurd – preferences which wantonly violate our nature, impair our being, or diminish our opportunities – fortunately lies within the human repertoire.
Xenophanes of Colophon was doubtless right. Even as different creatures may well have different gods so they might well have different goods. But no matter. For us humans the perfectly appropriate sort of good is our sort of good: the human good inherent in the manner of our emplacement within the world's scheme of things. In this regard, Aristotle did indeed get to the heart of the matter. For us, the human good is indeed an adequate foundation for substantive, practical rationality. Given that we are what we are, it is this that is decisive for us. We have to go on from where we are. It is in this sense alone that there is no deliberation about ends. The universally appropriate ends at issue in our human condition are not somehow freely chosen by us; they are fixed by the (for us) inescapable circumstance that, like it or not, we find ourselves to exist as human beings, and thus able to function as free rational agents. Their ultimate inherence in (generic) human needs determines the appropriateness of our particular, individual ends and thereby endows a functionalistic pragmatism with a broadly humanistic value orientation.
We humans are so situated that from our vantage point (and who else's can be decisive for us?) various factors can and should be seen as goods – as aspects or components of what is in itself a quintessentially good end in its relation to us. Without achieving such goods we cannot thrive as human beings: we cannot achieve the condition of well-being that Aristotle called eudaimonia (“flourishing”). Flourishing as humans, as the sorts of creatures we are, patently is for us an intrinsic good (though not, to be sure, necessarily the supreme good). It “comes with the territory” so to speak, being mandated for us by our place in nature's scheme of things. And this desideratum is itself many-faceted in serving as an umbrella goal that can carry others in its wake. It must, after all, come to be particularised to the concrete situation of specific individuals and thereby becomes complex and variegated. On this basis, the rationality and objectivity of evaluative ends inheres in the simple fact that we humans have various valid needs – that we require not only nourishment and protection against the elements for the maintenance of health, but also information (“cognitive orientation”), affection, freedom of action, and much else besides. Without achieving such varied goods we cannot thrive as human beings.
To be sure, a person's “appropriate interests” will have a substantial sector of personal relativity. One person's self-ideal, shaped in the light of his own value structure, will, quite appropriately, be different from that of another. And, moreover, what sorts of interests a person has will hinge in significant measure on the particular circumstances and conditions in which he finds himself, including his wishes and desires. (In the absence of any countervailing considerations, getting what I want is in my best interests.) All the same, there is also a large body of real interests that people not only share in common but must pursue in common, for example, as regards standard of living (health and resources) and quality of life (opportunities and conditions). Both sorts of interests – the idiosyncratic and the generic – play a determinative role in the operations of rationality, and must figure in a sensible pragmatism's concern for the efficacious realisation of our valid objectives.
Suggested reading
The Validity of Values , Nicholas Rescher (Princeton University Press).
Welfare , Nicholas Rescher (University of Pittsburgh Press).
Nicholas Rescher is University Professor of philosophy at the University of Pittsburgh. -
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 1:19 PMHere's the second reading:
2. The "Practical Reasoning" entry in the Dictionary of Philosophy of Mind, at about 7 or 8 pages, is a much more comprehensive overview of the subject. philosophy.uwaterloo.ca/MindDi...ng.html
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FYI, here are the full vote-by-email results for the month:
1) Is Science Converging On The Truth? (20.0 Votes)
2) "A Foolish Consistency Is The Hobgoblin Of Little Minds…" (16.0 Votes)
3) Who Deserves Charity? (12.25 Votes)
4) Is "Being A Rational Person" About Means only or Ends, Too? (23.75 Votes)
5) How Important Is It For Us To Be A Space-Faring Civilization? (12.25 Votes)
Each topic stays on the list until it wins or consistently receives a paltry number of votes. You may have noticed that the votes do not come in whole numbers. This is not because fractions of a person turn in votes, but because you receive one vote for your top choice, a half vote for your 2nd choice (if you had one), a quarter vote for your 3rd choice, and so on.
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Thu, December 25, 2008 - 12:34 PM[Typographical note: This web site does not accommodate italicization, for which I will substitute CAPITALIZATION.]
Practical reason is defined as the mental processes involved in determining what one is to do. But actions are not objectively right or wrong, or true or false. Therefore, because the conclusion (action) cannot be (objectively) incorrect, the process generating it cannot be (objectively) irrational. Practical deliberation is NONRATIONAL; it can meaningfully be characterized as “rational” or “irrational” only INFORMALLY.
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Sat, December 27, 2008 - 3:13 AMI'll repeat my posting on the other, similar thread (the "what does it mean to be Irrational" topic), since you brought up the same objection:
Richard, I'll agree with you only by half. The notion of rationality is *different* when applied to beliefs as opposed to actions.
A rational *action* is most commonly defined (in the literature on the subject) as an action that effectively and efficiently brings about the goal (that is, the goal that the person is aiming at by that action). In that sense, an action can either be "incorrect"/ irrational or "correct"/ rational, or alternatively, rational to a greater or lesser degree. This way of talking also accords with everyday speech; we talk about crazy, irrational or stupid actions as being those that don't even come close to getting the actor to the goal he/she thinks it will.
The standards you are talking about, true v false, apply to matters of *theoretical* reason (reasoning about beliefs) rather than *practical* reasoning (reasoning about actions). "Truth" simply doesn't apply to actions, except in a metaphorical sense. It is a "category mistake," as philosophers often say, to apply the standard to truth to how good an action is, just as it would be a category mistake to apply the standards of "effective and efficient" to how good a belief is. -
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 12:00 PM[Typographical note: This web site does not accommodate italicization, for which I will substitute CAPITALIZATION.]
Brian, I agree with you that actions are not true or false. But they are often described as right or wrong. My point (in my 12-25-08 comment) is simply that, because an action cannot—TECHNICALLY—be wrong, it cannot—TECHNICALLY—be irrational; that “rational” and “irrational” apply to ACTIONS, only INFORMALLY . . . or in EVERYDAY SPEECH.
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Re: Is rationality about ultimate ENDS or only MEANS?
Mon, February 2, 2009 - 10:20 PMOh, I think I still disagree with you on that one, for the same reason I stated in the last posting. Don't you think it counts as being "technically" wrong and irrational if an action does not effectively and efficiently lead to the goal it's intended to bring about?
Since "effectively and efficiently bringing about the end" is the (or *a*) formal definition of a rational action, the previous sentence would seem to follow. When philosophers talk about such definitions, they mean them formally, not metaphorically. What would be the point of talking about them metaphorically, anyway? Philosophy, by its nature, tries to formally define whatever it can, and to analyze and clarify metaphors by replacing metaphorical ways of talking with literal, technical ones.
If you want to dispute above definition ("effective and efficient"), that's a different argument. However, if you accept any definition at all of "irrational act," that will serve as the criteria of what counts as whether (or to what degree) an act is rational or irrational.
On the other hand, if you refuse to accept *any* definition of "irrational act," then I agree with what you said (though your point follows only trivially, in that case). But, if you refuse to accept any definition for rational or irrational action, then you fail to account for the way people (philosophers or anyone else) talk about irrational, stupid or crazy actions. You also deprive yourself of the ability to judge or make sense of how good, useful or reasonable an action is (except in the moral sense).
Of course, in the moral sense, actions can be termed right or wrong, but that's another matter entirely, and I don't think you meant that.
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