Hi everyone! Our monthly gathering is this Sunday in Santa Monica at 5 PM (6-18-08; see the event listing nearby on this tribe page). I hope to see you there!

Whether or not you come to Sunday's meeting, feel free to carry on a discussion (either before or after Sunday's meeting) by posting your own ideas in this thread, or in the nearby thread called "Living to 120 years of age, would you want to?"

Here's how I framed the topic this month:


NEAR IMMORTALITY FOR US ALL? Does society have a moral obligation to vastly increase the resources dedicated to curing biological aging? What benefits and burdens would agelessness have for individuals and for society? Would you want the option to live, in good health, nearly forever? (Assuming you could avoid death by severe injury, accident, violence, contagious disease, etc.)

Most people in our society agree we should support at least some research into ameliorating the effects of aging, particularly when the research promises a quick payoff in the form of treatments for specific diseases. What is much more controversial is the mandate, as some argue, to pour massive amounts of money into the attempt to understand the underlying mechanisms of aging and to preemptively intervene in them-- and do so for as many people as possible-- right now. We had a war on polio and on cancer; should we have a "war on aging," too? What if we funded this war on the scale of, say, the war in Iraq? The results could be a huge ethical boon, the halting of the death-by-aging of tens of thousands of people each day. A number of researchers think this is achievable. As the "law of unintended effects" would have it, though, there would be a downside. Is it worth it?
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See you Sunday!

Brian
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  • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

    Wed, June 18, 2008 - 11:55 PM
    In my opinion, society does not have a moral obligation to dedicate resources to this area of development.
    I have no idea if we can cure aging or not but I don't see any moral conflict by either pursuing it or not pursuing it.
    If we do pursue it however, we must try to counter any breakthroughs with some method of population control. (Actually, the
    breakthroughs we already have require population control but most people seem to think humanity will somehow be saved by
    "going green.")

    I don't feel my moral compass being tugged in any direction on this particular issue. But I don't think it's necessary to pour tons of money into this type of research. I think we have higher priorities than discovering the fountain of youth.
  • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

    Fri, June 20, 2008 - 5:14 PM
    OPTIONAL READINGS ON THE ETHICS OF "IMMORTALITY" / LONGEVITY RESEARCH:
    If you'd like to inspire and stimulate your interest or thinking on these issues and clarify the ideas and debates involved, I have a few options for you. Check out the three hyperlinks in the previous paragraph (primarily for scientific ideas) and/or read or skim one or more of the following four, brief articles (for philosophical/ ethical/ political ideas):

    1. "Aging, Childlessness, Or Overpopulation: The Future’s Right To Choose" (2 pages long). This article was written by the speaker for our gathering this Sunday in Santa Monica, Aubrey de Grey. If you send me a message, I'll email you the .pdf version (Adobe Acrobat) of this article. I'll also paste the article to this thread.

    2. "Is the quest to defeat aging ethical?" (6 pages long). This article is also by Aubrey de Grey. Again, if you send me a message, I'll email you the .pdf version (Adobe Acrobat) of this article. I'll also paste the article to this thread.


    3. "Old People Are People Too: Why It Is Our Duty to Fight Aging to the Death" (5 pages long). Another article by Aubrey de Grey; I'll email you the .pdf version (Adobe Acrobat) of this article if you send me a message. I'll also paste the article to this thread.


    4. "Immortality Is a Misfortune" (about a page and a half long). This reading, by Steven Luper (sluper@trinity.edu) is an excerpt from The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on "Death." The part most relevant to our topic is section 5.2, "Immortality Is a Misfortune." I'll also paste the article to this thread. This link takes you to that section of the article, plato.stanford.edu/entries/death/#5
    • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

      Fri, June 20, 2008 - 5:21 PM
      Here's the "Immortality Is a Misfortune" excerpt (it's about a page and a half long, and is at plato.stanford.edu/entries/death/#5 ). By Steven Luper (sluper@trinity.edu), it's the most relevant (to our topic) part of "The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy" article on "Death."
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      5.2 Immortality Is a Misfortune


      We are left to wonder whether death would ever cease to be objectionable were we not ravaged by bad health and other hardships. Bernard Williams argues that it would be bad to live forever, even under the best of circumstances. His view is based on an assumption about the relationship between our identities and the desires that motivate us to live.

      Consider a woman who wants to die. She might still take the view that if she is to live on, then she should be well fed and clothed. She wants food and clothing on condition she remain alive. In this sense her desires are conditional, and do not give her reason to live. Contrast a father who is committed to rearing a beloved daughter: he desires unconditionally that the child do well, and his desire gives him reason to live, because he can rear his child only if he survives. In this sense, his desire is categorical, or unconditional. Williams thinks that categorical desires are essential to identity, and give meaning to life. Through categorical desires, we are attached to projects or relationships that are definitive of the self; faced with their destruction, we would feel our lives are meaningless, and that in an important sense we cannot survive as the persons we once were.

      The bearing on death, according to Williams, is, first, that people have good reason to condemn a death that is premature in the sense that it thwarts their categorical desires. Second, mortality is good, since people who live long enough eventually will lose the categorical desires with which they identify. Life will lose its novelty, and oppressive boredom will set in. To avoid ennui, superseniors would have to replace their fundamental desires, again and again. But this is to abandon their identities; it is tantamount to death.

      As Williams says, lives of unimaginative routine will eventually grow stale if extended long enough. Of course, this is not supposed to comfort ordinary mortals, most of whom will die long before routine undermines the joy in living. However, as several theorists, including Nagel (1986, p. 224, n. 3) Glover (1977, p. 57), and Fischer (1994) have suggested, it is not obvious that life must become dull. Williams may have overlooked how rich and complex life can be, especially for superseniors who pursue multiple open-ended projects in the company of other superseniors. His response to this kind of criticism is that even rich and open-ended projects eventually will become routine (say after a few billion years), so our pursuits must be replaced periodically if we are to remain interested in life. But to phase in wholly new projects is to lose our identity.

      Williams's response faces objections. First, we might avoid boredom by adding to our pursuits, and varying the way we approach them, without abandoning certain core interests that define us. Second, Williams is working with a view of identity that may be too narrow. Many of us would welcome a possibility that he downplays: gradually transforming our interests and projects over time. Transformation is not death. It is distinct from, and preferable to, annihilation. Transformation would be death only if identity were wholly a matter of connectedness. However, we also think of identity as continuity: If we could live endlessly, the stages of our lives would display reduced connectedness, yet they would be continuous, which is a property that is important in the kind of survival most of us prize. Even after drinking at the fountain of eternal youth, we would tend to focus on relatively short stretches of our indefinitely extensive lives, and over these periods we would prize connectedness, since we are animated by specific projects and relationships that can be developed only if there are strong interconnections among the temporal stages of our lives. However, sometimes we would turn our attention to relatively long stretches of life, and then, prizing continuity, we would phase in new and worthwhile undertakings that build upon, and do not wholly replace, the old.
      • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

        Fri, June 20, 2008 - 5:26 PM
        This is the 2 pages long "Aging, Childlessness, Or Overpopulation: The Future’s Right To Choose" article by the speaker for our gathering this Sunday in Santa Monica, Aubrey de Grey.
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        REJUVENATION RESEARCH Volume 7, Number 4, 2004 © Mary Ann Liebert, Inc.

        Editorial

        Aging, Childlessness, or Overpopulation: The Future’s Right to Choose


        It is not only for what we do that we are held responsible, but also for what we do not do.
        —Jean Baptiste Molière

        BY FAR THE MOST FREQUENT argument I encounter
        against the wisdom of curing aging
        is that it would cause unacceptable global
        overpopulation. While most other potential
        drawbacks of indefinite lifespans are generally
        acknowledged to be speculative, this one is robustly
        asserted to be inevitable, short of a compulsory
        sterilisation policy of unprecedented
        proportions. I therefore feel that it is worth devoting
        this space to why that particular objection
        to curing aging is every bit as wrongheaded
        as all the others.

        If I sound remarkably sure of myself in this,
        it is not merely because that’s how I usually
        sound. It’s because my reasoning is painfully
        simple. There are plenty of much less simple
        ways to argue that the threat of overpopulation
        doesn’t justify a pro-aging policy, but I regard
        some of those ways as positively flawed and
        most of the rest as at least somewhat fragile. I
        will begin, therefore, by clearing some of these
        altogether less satisfactory arguments out of
        the way.

        First let us dispose of some of the alternative
        scenarios that some more futuristic than myself
        have suggested over the years. The most
        straightforward of these is mass emigration
        into space. Rather than get into the details of
        whether we could construct and power enough
        space stations to get people off the planet at the
        required rate if the proportion of the terrestrial
        human race that consists of children were to remain
        constant, I merely note that the indefinite
        maintenance of that proportion among the
        whole of humanity in the context of a hugely increased
        average lifespan necessitates exponential
        growth of the human race, whereas the volume
        of space that we occupy can only increase
        as the cube of how fast we can travel away from
        Earth. Hence, even ignoring more prosaic constraints
        such as the availability of enough matter,
        and more controversial ones such as the attractiveness
        of a non-terrestrial existence, our
        inability to exceed the speed of light will eventually
        bring such a state of affairs to a halt. Estimates
        of how soon this would happen are, as
        you may be surprised to learn but can easily
        verify, in the low thousands of years. A second
        scenario much beloved of futurists is “uploading”—
        the transfer of our consciousnesses to alternative
        hardware on which they would “run”
        very much as they do now but without the risks
        associated with being made out of meat. Here
        again I will not dwell on the practicalities of
        such a transition, but rather note that its ability
        to solve the overpopulation problem is very
        likely to be only marginally less temporary
        than mass colonisation of the galaxy, because
        any physical embodiment of complex information
        inherently takes up space. While we cannot
        formally exclude the possibility that, perhaps
        by use of future quantum computation
        technology, the volume needed by N non-meat
        brains could be reduced to a logarithmic func-
        tion of N—thence allowing exponential growth
        of the human race while the space it occupies
        grows only polynomially—this does not seem
        like an outcome on which to rely. Hence, for
        practical purposes we must work on the basis
        that exponential growth in the size of the human
        race is not a permanent option, however
        ingeniously we may strive to allow it. Ineluctably,
        therefore, a permanent departure
        from today’s positive correlation between age
        and mortality rate will eventually result in a
        progressively diminishing proportion of human
        beings aged less than 18—or, for that matter,
        less than 180.

        It is also necessary to bear in mind that we
        will not be rescued from this predicament by
        menopause, nor indeed by any other biologically-
        based decline in fertility with age. This is
        simply because such phenomena are part of aging,
        and will be every bit as amenable to rejuvenation
        as anything else. This is not to say that
        menopause will cease to be an option, of
        course: just as with every other aspect of aging,
        it will be up to the individual to decide whether
        her menopause should be prevented or reversed.
        But we cannot rely on women over the
        age of (say) 60 saving us from Malthus by a
        permanent sterility impervious to biomedical
        intervention.

        The choice that humanity will face once aging
        has become optional is, therefore, every bit
        as stark as those who raise overpopulation as
        an objection to curing aging claim it is. We will
        have to choose between a high death rate or a
        low birth rate—it’s as simple as that.
        Numerous ways to make and implement this
        choice are easy to imagine, of course. We could
        restrict access to rejuvenation therapies. We
        could restrict access to all medical care, for
        young or old. We could restrict fertility by various
        means. We could, let us not forget, discover
        that there are plenty of things to do with
        our time that are more fun than having kids
        and that having hardly any children around is
        not so terrible after all. And so on, beyond our
        imagination.

        This multiplicity of options brings me to my
        preferred rebuttal of the overpopulation argument
        against curing aging. We have a choice
        today, too—a much simpler one. We can pursue
        the cure of aging with all the resources at
        our disposal, thus making it a reality as soon
        as possible; or we can hesitate, thereby delaying
        the date when aging becomes optional and
        humanity needs to make the above choice.
        How, then, can we make this present choice?
        I used the phrase “needs to make” advisedly
        above, so as to stress that humanity’s future
        choice will not be an easy one. But is it better
        to have a hard choice to make, or to have it
        made for one? In some circumstances, one
        might say that the latter is preferable; but in
        matters of grave importance, such as one’s own
        life and death, few would opt to be condemned—
        even those who, given the choice,
        would condemn themselves.

        This is what makes our choice today so simple.
        Future humanity has just as much right to
        make its own choices as we do. Just as parents
        have a duty to give their children guidance in
        childhood but freedom thereafter, so we have
        a clear, indisputable duty to give future humanity
        the opportunity to choose. And the
        sooner we cure aging, the more people will
        have that opportunity. That opportunity, that
        choice, is their right; conversely, it is our duty
        to give them it. End of story.

        —Aubrey D.N.J. de Grey, Ph.D.
        Editor-in-Chief
        • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

          Fri, June 20, 2008 - 5:35 PM
          Now, the 5 pages long "Old People Are People Too: Why It Is Our Duty to Fight Aging to the Death" article by Aubrey de Grey
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          Old People Are People Too: Why It Is Our Duty to Fight Aging to the Death

          By Aubrey de Grey
          December 3rd, 2007

          It has been obvious to me since my earliest days that the eventually fatal physiological decline
          associated with getting older is both tragic and potentially preventable by medical
          intervention. It was, therefore, a matter of some consternation to me to discover in my late
          twenties that my view on this matter was not universally shared. In this essay I explode various
          myths and illogicalities that surround the effort to combat (and especially to defeat) aging,
          with an emphasis on some that are often perpetrated by currently influential commentators.


          The Pro-Aging Trance

          Cancer is undesirable. Heart disease is undesirable. So are type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s and a
          thousand other debilitations that predominantly afflict those over the age of 40. Is it not then
          bizarre that we should have any hesitation in declaring that aging in general, being the
          molecular and cellular root cause of all these phenomena, is just as deserving of the attention
          of our medical research efforts?

          There is, in fact, a simple psychological explanation. Until very recently, aging has been
          regarded by all credentialed biogerontologists as far too complex to be substantially postponed
          within the lifetime of anyone currently alive. Indeed, this remains the majority view, with the
          present author one of a still rather small (though growing) minority who perceive a way
          forward. This being so, it makes good psychological sense to find some way to convince oneself
          that aging is all for the best, and thus to put it out of one’s mind, rather than to spend one’s
          life preoccupied with one’s grisly and inescapable fate. The fact that such rationalizations are
          stunningly irrational from a purely objective standpoint is irrelevant.

          Unfortunately, irrational rationalizations only work for as long as we can suspend our disbelief.
          As a result, some of the world’s finest minds have gained great prominence by articulating
          excuses for aging that sound convincing to those desperate to be convinced. A pro-aging
          message presented as a moral or sociological fait accompli is a crutch, allowing its recipients
          to divert their attention to less unsavory matters.

          But, of course, the authors of these arguments don’t see it that way–not least because they
          believe their own arguments just as sincerely as their followers do. Hence the rest of this
          essay.


          The Tithonus Error

          In the Greek myth of Tithonus, the (mortal) eponymous Trojan warrior won the heart of the
          (immortal) goddess Eos. Being too junior a deity to be able to immortalize her lover, Eos asked
          Zeus to do this–but “forgot” to ask that Tithonus also be eternally youthful. He thus became
          ever more frail and decrepit, such that eventually Eos had no choice but to turn him into a
          grasshopper.

          The survival of this myth is a shining example of the pro-aging trance in action. The idea that a
          postponement of death might occur without a postponement of aging is plainly arbitrary (as
          postponement of death might occur without a postponement of aging is plainly arbitrary (as
          well as biomedically absurd–being frail is risky and always will be), yet it is the presumption
          made unquestioningly in the story–and, as those who have raised such matters with the public
          know well, equally unquestioningly in the knee-jerk reactions of many when called upon to
          contemplate radical life extension.

          Erudite commentators tend to avoid this error in its grossest form, but subtler versions of it
          abound. The most dangerous one is with regard to the motivation for intervening in aging. Let
          us consider some reasons why one might want to postpone aging:

          1. to live longer
          2. to let others live longer
          3. to avoid debilitation/disease/dependency in later life
          4. to let others avoid debilitation/disease/dependency in later life

          Even once it is accepted that the postponement of death will probably be achieved only by the
          corresponding postponement of frailty, apologists for aging are often keen to cast the wish for
          a longer life as an ignoble, even unmanly desire. The controversial nature of this starting-point
          has an insidiously indirect effect: it distracts attention from the fact that even if this wish were
          ignoble, the conclusion that we should not strive to defeat aging does not follow. The unstated
          assumption in this form of the Tithonus error is twofold: firstly that those who wish for aging to
          be defeated wish it for the putatively ignoble first reason, rather than for the more
          unassailably noble others, and secondly that the merits of such-and-such a future scenario
          depend on why people strove to bring it about. I myself am much less motivated to combat
          aging by selfish desire than by humanitarian incentives, not least because I know that I can only
          alter the life expectancy of a particular individual (myself, say) by a small amount through my
          actions, whereas on a global scale I may save a phenomenal number of lives. But even if most
          pro-longevists were driven by a personal desire to live for centuries, and even if for the sake of
          argument we were to agree that this is not a noble motive, so what? Good deeds done for
          “invalid” reasons are still good deeds.


          Biomedical Wishful Thinking

          There once was a time when most deaths were from causes unrelated to aging – predation,
          starvation, hypothermia, etc. In today’s industrialized world, such deaths are in the minority:
          aging kills around 90% of us. But some deaths from aging are widely held to be worse than
          others. Particular importance is often attached to the amount of time spent in a frail state
          before death: dying in one’s sleep in the absence of chronic disease and at an age somewhat
          (but not too much!) in excess of the prevailing average is considered “a good death” with
          which doctors should perhaps not interfere, whereas the protracted suffering endured by many
          elderly today (especially with the rise of Alzheimer’s disease) is a worthy target of medical
          intervention. This leads to the refrain that we should prioritize “giving life to years, not just
          years to life.” As with the Tithonus error above, this position is predicated on a miasma of
          arbitrary assumptions and distractions.

          Firstly, it is distinctly unclear whether a sick person’s life is any less valuable (hence, worthy of
          sustaining) than a robust person’s. After all, no less an icon of contemporary moral philosophy
          than President George W. Bush stated in connection with the Schiavo case that “it is wise to
          always err on the side of life.” Note again the paradoxical utility of a controversial aspect of a
          position in distracting attention from aspects that are more unequivocally indefensible.
          Secondly, the views of the victim of a “good death” tend to be forgotten once that death has
          occurred. Prevailing quality of life (and perception of near-term future quality) bears heavily
          on many people’s interest in self-preservation – and why should it not? – so those who have
          on many people’s interest in self-preservation – and why should it not? – so those who have
          been getting quite a lot out of life right up until last night might, were their opinion sought,
          hesitate to join the consensus that it wasn’t such a bad thing that they didn’t wake up this
          morning.

          Thirdly, the Tithonus error is equally erroneous when inverted. Just as being frail is risky, so
          being robust is not risky: people who are not in the advanced stages of one or another agerelated
          disease will mostly not die until they are, whatever their chronological age.

          Biogerontologists have somewhat disgracefully engaged in the politically expedient obfuscation
          of this point in recent decades, co-opting as their own Fries’s entirely valid observation [1] that
          changes in lifestyle could “compress morbidity” – but that doesn’t make it true that postponing
          aging could do so. There are, of course, easy ways to change that – discontinue the supply of
          influenza jabs to the elderly, for example – but such approaches have not found favor with the
          general public (nor, it might be noted, with geronto-apologists) in the past and show no sign of
          doing so in the future.

          The practical fact is that, of the three categories of death enumerated at the beginning of this
          section (early, “bad” late and “good” late), society seems committed to delaying all three. The
          only issue is the relative priority that should be given to delaying one versus another – and this
          must be evaluated in the context of foreseeable biomedical reality, not fantasy. Specifically,
          those who fear the consequences of a dramatic delay in both types of late death are engaging
          in profound intellectual dishonesty if they ignore the fact that meaningful compression of
          morbidity – that is, selective postponement of bad death and consequent increase in good
          deaths, without much change in life expectancy – is biomedically implausible. Rather, they
          must accept the fact that the only realistic approach to greatly postponing bad deaths is to
          combat aging itself, and that this will correspondingly postpone good deaths, thereby – unless
          we deliberately eschew measures to prevent early deaths, as noted above – greatly raising life
          expectancy, with all that that entails.

          The question that humanity must face up to is clear: is the prevention of the suffering
          currently associated with most deaths from old age valuable enough to justify the inevitable
          side-effect of radically increased lifespans? The question is not whether that side-effect is
          good or bad – a question on which opinions will surely remain divided for some time to come.
          The question, rather, is whether that side-effect is so bad as to outweigh the benefits of
          eliminating aging-related suffering. Dodging this question is unacceptable – and thus, for those
          who profess to dispense wisdom on ethical matters, it is unforgivable.


          The Feasibility/Desirability Hiding Place

          Suppose we were to devise a feasible anti-aging intervention that, once developed, would
          postpone both good and bad late deaths by a modest but non-trivial amount – ten or twenty
          years, say. Suppose, further, that both the development and the provision of this intervention
          were very expensive. The ethical arguments against such expenditure are far more reasonable
          than those that I have demolished above. Specifically, one might point to the much more
          limited improvement in overall quality of life (because, since early deaths would still be in the
          minority, the average time spent debilitated before death would be unchanged). One might
          defensibly conclude that the societal drawbacks of such a measure – increasing the rich/poor
          health divide, in particular – outweighed these much more modest health benefits, and even
          the very large economic benefits of keeping the population healthy for longer.

          This has proven an irresistible temptation to geronto-apologists, and the following script has
          been repeated ad nauseam. When presented with the moral unassailability of the quest to
          defeat aging entirely, they overwhelmingly present arguments against modest postponement of
          aging instead, quietly eliding the distinction and portraying the reality as the worst of both
          worlds (the downsides of radical life extension with only the upsides of modest life extension).
          When confronted with their error, they retort that dramatic postponement (even defeat) of
          When confronted with their error, they retort that dramatic postponement (even defeat) of
          aging is “clearly” infeasible and thus not an appropriate topic for discussion. When it is pointed
          out that their certitude on this matter belies the fact that they are bioethicists, not
          biogerontologists, they point to the clear consensus of public statements of biogerontologists,
          which indeed centers on the feasibility of modest life extension but the infeasibility of
          defeating aging. When reminded that biogerontologists would say that, wouldn’t they (since
          they are funded mainly by taxpayers, who suffer from the pro-aging trance that conservative
          bioethicists work so hard to perpetuate), they reply that the existence of bad reasons to say
          something doesn’t imply the non-existence of valid reasons. When directed to the concerted
          and spectacularly unsuccessful attempts made by vested-interest-driven prominent
          biogerontologists to explain to neutral experts why the defeat of aging is infeasible [2], they
          merely repeat the same reply – for that is all they have.

          This tactic can be summed up succinctly. Geronto-apologists simultaneously hold, and
          alternately express, the following two positions:

          They refuse to consider seriously whether defeating aging is feasible, because they are
          sure it would not be desirable;

          They refuse to consider seriously whether defeating aging is desirable, because they are
          sure it is not feasible.

          Like a child hiding in a double-doored wardrobe, they cower behind one door when the other is
          opened, then dash to the other when it is closed and before the first is opened. Only when
          both doors are flung open in unison is their hiding-place revealed. They are both well and truly
          open now, and the time when this sleight of hand was effective has passed.


          Fearmongering and Implausible Deniability

          A venerable rhetorical tactic in the promotion of fragile positions is to raise in the audience’s
          mind the specter of some terrible consequence of the opposing position without actually
          spelling it out. Unnerving questions are asked – but then, rather than answers offered, the
          subject is changed, leaving the concern to fester in the subconscious. The author escapes,
          however, with the knowledge that if challenges are raised to the validity of these concerns he
          can resort to the claim that he never actually said that.

          This tactic has been all too evident in prominent analyses of whether we should combat aging. I
          will use as my illustration the chapter “Ageless Bodies” from the President’s Council report
          “Beyond Therapy,” [3] but readers will notice abundant echoes of other writings. The litany of
          obfuscation begins by exploiting the terminological ambiguity of the word “ageless” with
          observations such as “An ageless body is almost a contradiction in terms, since all physical
          things necessarily decay over time.” Many pages are then devoted to detailed discussion of
          various age-retarding measures that have already been demonstrated in the laboratory,
          without mention of the fact that no credentialed biogerontologist currently claims that any
          such technique will ever deliver genuine agelessness.

          By contrast, no space whatever is given to the work being done on bona fide regenerative
          medicine, which is the only approach that truly does have such potential. This confusion is
          amplified when ethical matters are turned to, e.g. with the stage set by declaring that the idea
          is to extend the working lifetime of all bodily functions by the same finite amount (thus
          allowing the fear to be raised that some would be extended longer than others). Then the
          fearmongering can begin in earnest. Preposterous propositions such as that “Our dedication to
          our activities, our engagement with life’s callings and our continued interest in our projects all
          rely to some degree upon a sense that we are giving of ourselves, in a process destined to
          result in our complete expenditure” are articulated; but then, rather than being quixotically
          defended (and their absurdity thus exposed), they are sidestepped – “This is not to say that [a
          life lived devoid of that sense] will be worse – but it will very likely be quite different” – and a
          life lived devoid of that sense] will be worse – but it will very likely be quite different” – and a
          new topic hastily begun. The same tactic is repeated over and over again: boredom,
          childlessness, meaning, families, creativity and more are introduced and then left hanging,
          with no explicit conclusions asserted, thus distracting the reader from the text’s naked bias of
          emphasis of the risks of radical life extension over the benefits. If you feel I’m overstating the
          case, I invite you to re-read the text with my comments in mind.


          Urgency, Reflective Equilibrium, and Repugnance

          When thoroughly cornered on the question of whether the defeat of aging would be a good
          thing, geronto-apologists generally turn as a last resort to the cry “Okay, but first things first!”
          The fact that efforts to postpone human aging will definitely not bear much fruit for at least a
          few decades is held as a reason to deprioritize such efforts in favor of combating already
          preventable problems.

          It is trivial to expose the ethical bankruptcy of this position. We lock people up for the same
          amount of time if they kill people with a gun or with a booby-trap bomb, even though the
          interval between the murderer’s action and the victim’s death differs by several orders of
          magnitude in the two cases. The same irrelevance of that interval applies to the saving of
          lives, since action and inaction are morally indistinguishable. We are close enough today to
          defeating aging that serendipity does not define the timeframe: the sooner and harder we try
          to do it, the sooner we’ll succeed. Thus, our inaction today costs lives – lots of lives.
          Time was when we didn’t lock people up for either such crime: we executed them. That
          tradition has been roundly rejected across almost the entire developed world, as have slavery,
          sexism, racism, faithism, homophobia – and, with the notable exception of this essay’s subject,
          ageism. Our view of what is and is not repugnant evolves by a process best described by Rawls,
          with the name “reflective equilibrium,” in which logical contradictions between simultaneously
          held values are progressively highlighted and resolved by the abandonment of the less central
          one. [4]

          Kass has courageously defended an academically unfashionable position that I personally share,
          which ethicists call “non-cognitivism” and he called “the wisdom of repugnance.” [5] In this
          view, one’s gut feeling regarding the ethical status of an action is not something to be meekly
          subordinated to logic, because the very existence of that feeling constitutes evidence of its
          ethical correctness. However, the beauty of reflective equilibrium is that it works for
          cognitivists and non-cognitivists alike: one needs no belief in the existence of objective
          morality to appreciate that one’s moral stance on all matters should be logically consistent.
          Thus, it is the duty of opinion-formers on ethical matters to work to accelerate the reflective
          equilibrium process: to identify and highlight internal contradictions in conventional moral
          wisdom so that the competing views can battle it out. In the case of radical life extension,
          since the equivalences noted above (action/inaction, ageism/discrimination, saving/extending
          lives) are so fundamental, the odds are rather heavily stacked against the pro-aging position’s
          survival of this process. [6] The title of this essay really says it all: discrimination of any sort is
          passé. Old people are people too, so aging must be seen for what it is: a scourge that deprives
          far more people of far more healthy years than any other. Aging, in a word, is repugnant, and
          we would be wiser to follow Kass’s general maxim than his specific conclusion. To persist in
          defending aging is psychologically excusable – fear of the unknown is a reasonable emotion, in
          particular – but it is ethically inexcusable.


          Notes

          [1] James Fries, “Aging, natural death, and the compression of morbidity,” New England
          Journal of Medicine, 303 (1980): 130-135. Online: [1]
          content.nejm.org/cgi/conte.../303/3/130
          content.nejm.org/cgi/conte.../303/3/130
          [2] Jason Pontin, “Is Defeating Aging Only a Dream? No one has won our $20,000 Challenge to
          disprove Aubrey de Grey’s anti-aging proposals,” Technology Review, 109 (2006): 80-84.
          Online: [2] www.technologyreview.com/sens/
          [3] President’s Council for Bioethics, Beyond Therapy: Biotechnology and the Pursuit of
          Happiness, 2003. Online: [3] www.bioethics.gov/reports/b...index.html
          [4] John Rawls, A Theory of Justice, (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1971).
          [5] Leon Kass, “The Wisdom of Repugnance,” The New Republic, 216 (1997): 17-26. Online: [4]
          www.catholiceducation.org/artic...6.html
          [6] For an elaboration of this conclusion, see Aubrey de Grey, “Life extension, human rights and
          the rational refinement of repugnance,” Journal of Medical Ethics, 31 (2005): 659-663. Online:
          [5] jme.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/31/11/659

          Aubrey D.N.J. de Grey, Ph.D. ([6] aubrey@sens.org) is the Chairman and Chief Science Officer
          of [7] the Methuselah Foundation.
          Article printed from Cato Unbound: www.cato-unbound.org
          URL to article: www.cato-unbound.org/2007/12...epeople-
          too-why-it-is-our-duty-to-fight-aging-to-the-death/
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          [3] www.bioethics.gov/reports/b...ndex.html:
          www.bioethics.gov/reports/b...index.html
          [4] www.catholiceducation.org/artic....html:
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          • Re: Should we & can we cure Aging?

            Fri, June 20, 2008 - 6:17 PM
            Last, "Is the quest to defeat aging ethical?" At 6 pages long, this article is also by Aubrey de Grey.
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            Ethical Futures (S. Wint, ed.), 2008, in press.


            Is the quest to defeat aging ethical?

            Aubrey D.N.J. de Grey, Ph.D.
            Methuselah Foundation, PO Box 1143, Lorton, VA 22079, USA, Email: aubrey@sens.org

            Abstract

            Ethics and psychology are more closely intertwined than might be apparent without detailed scrutiny. I feel that this is particularly so in the case of humanity’s attitude to the combating, and especially the outright defeat, of the process that biogerontologists tend to term “senescence” but most people, despite the attendant ambiguity, term “aging.” Specifically, doubts about the feasibility of defeating aging and about its desirability become seductively linked in a classic case of circular logic: when challenged (as they often are by me!), people tend to use their negativity about each as a basis for refusing to examine the legitimacy of their negativity about the other. It is not unreasonable to say that it doesn’t matter whether aging is a good thing because we can’t do anything about it anyway, and it is equally fair to say that it doesn’t matter whether we can defeat aging because doing so would be a bad idea anyway – but it is very unreasonable indeed to take both these positions at the same time. In this essay I offer some ways out of this trap.


            The pro-aging flight from reason

            In numerous fora elsewhere, I and others have rehearsed the litany of what I consider to be almost comically irrational defences of aging that are commonly encountered when the topic of extreme life extension arises in casual conversation (e.g., de Grey 2003). Thus, I will not repeat myself in this essay. All that is really worth mentioning here is that the irrationality of most of these reactions primarily resides not in their inherent validity as concerns, but rather in the depth of the conviction with which their exponents present them as (they claim) obvious proofs that the elimination of aging would make life not worth living. There is no doubt that a post-aging world will be radically different from today’s, and indeed that some of the differences merit extensive forward-planning to minimise their potential drawbacks (particularly those drawbacks that may accompany the transition to the post-aging condition). Thus, if someone who may hitherto have applied only minimal thought to the topic raises concerns as to whether issues such as (to list but a few) inequality of access, boredom or cognitive ossification might merit caution, they do not thereby identify themselves as having abandoned the respect for rationality that constitutes the central prerequisite for any productive debate. Rather, such people often turn out to be quite receptive (albeit, perhaps, not instantly) to the range of simple and highly compelling arguments that demonstrate the moral equivalence of combating aging versus combating those many other causes of suffering and death that are rather more rarely defended in modern society. No – the problem is that, all too often, these conversations never attain the level of objectivity necessary for such arguments to be rehearsed at all. Rather, apologists for aging frequently exhibit from the outset a lack of sincere interest in the question: a determination either to change the subject, or to restrict the conversation to an exchange of witticisms, or even to cast their interlocutor as a dangerous dreamer or ignoramus, so fixated by the lure of scientific and technological progress as to have abandoned all sense of ethical propriety (when in fact this assessment is entirely mutual).

            When earnest debate is resisted, options for how to proceed are usually limited. In this case, however, the situation is in my view not so bleak. The feature that I perceive as providing a constructive and promising way forward is one that is popularly viewed as being just the opposite, i.e. as being an obstacle to progress. This is the presence in the debate of a number of highly articulate and prominent ethicists who sincerely propound the pro-aging position and claim to be able to defend it against the arguments alluded to above (President’s Council 2003).


            The paradoxical utility of bioconservatives

            One might initially presume that the ideal spectrum of academic opinion on a topic that divides wider society is a consensus in favour of the “correct” opinion. When the topic really does divide society, that may be true – but the combating of aging is not such a case. The problem for those of us who are not in favour of aging is that, sad to say, there is an overwhelming preponderance of opinion – essentially a consensus – within society that aging is, if not a good thing, then at least something opposition to which must be viewed with grave suspicion. In this situation, I believe that the existence of a wide spectrum of opinion within academia is actually preferable to the alternative in which opposite consensi exist within academia and among the general public, because that latter situation does not encourage anyone in either community to engage in sincere discourse, either within their community or between the two. When academia is split, by contrast, such discourse will occur within academia – and it will be public and publicised, so it will inform and eventually influence public opinion, undermining the public’s contrary consensus and thus stimulating debate there too.

            The above line of reasoning has become particularly apposite during the tenure of George W. Bush in the White House and the contemporaneous elevation of Leon Kass to a position of influence arguably not enjoyed by any bioethicist for over a century. Kass has spent his entire academic career at the forefront of the battle against biomedical progress, starting with in vitro fertilisation in the 1970s (Kass 1971). His installation by Bush as chair of the President’s Council on Bioethics surely resulted not only from this, however, but also from his exceptional skill at communicating his point of view in language to which the general public seem to be receptive.


            The rhetorical wisdom of the wisdom of repugnance

            In 1997, Leon Kass published in The New Republic an essay entitled “The wisdom of repugnance” in which he presented his reasons for opposing human reproductive cloning (Kass 1997). In a nutshell, his core argument was that the objective reasons why this procedure is morally unacceptable are of secondary importance in the process of determining that it indeed is unacceptable. Rather, what matters most is that human reproductive cloning is “repugnant” and that this gut reaction can safely be relied upon to cast human reproductive cloning as morally unacceptable. In Kass’s words, “repugnance is the emotional expression of deep wisdom, beyond reason's power fully to articulate it.”

            What are we to make of this position? It bears analysis for two – sharply contrasting – reasons.

            The first is its meta-ethical status. A dominant view within ethics nowadays, cognitivism, is that propositions concerning the moral acceptability or imperative of particular actions have objective truth values, independent of the existence or otherwise of minds that accept or dispute those propositions. The opposing view, non-cognitivism, is that no such objective morality exists: a certain action may be morally unacceptable to one agent, acceptable to another and morally imperative to a third, without any of those agents being objectively incorrect. Now: either a cognitivist or a non-cognitivist could, formally, either agree or disagree with Kass’s position that repugnance is reliable, because that position concerns the methods by which we discover what is right and what is wrong, which is formally independent of whether such rightness or wrongness is objective. I contend, however, that in practice a cognitivist cannot agree with Kass on this point.

            The idea that an objective truth can reliably be discovered by examining one’s emotions is surely far-fetched. I therefore claim that Kass is, albeit only implicitly, espousing a clearly noncognitivist meta-ethical position here – a position which, as just mentioned, currently enjoys little support within his field.

            The second reason for examining Kass’s reliance on repugnance is its rhetorical status. This particular essay (Kass 1997) remains among his most high-profile publications; as such, it may well have played a major part in his elevation to his current stature within the US political establishment. It may also, by the same token, have contributed substantially to President Bush’s ability to strike a rapport on ethical matters with a sufficient proportion of the US electorate to facilitate his re-election in 2004, a result that many attributed largely to his ethical stance. It is a fact – perhaps a circular fact, but a fact nonetheless – that most people’s gut feeling is that they should generally trust their gut feeling. To be told by an eminent professor that that’s OK is probably rather comforting to most people, whether or not it actually should be.



            Factoring out the cognitivism question: motivation and means

            The alert reader may have noticed that I devoted the last section to highlighting an example of a situation that exhibits precisely the problem I described in the section before that: a disconnect between the consensus of the relevant academic discipline and that of the general public. Specifically, professional ethicists are generally cognitivists whereas, whether they know it or not, the public are generally non-cognitivists. Kass has done himself a big favour by abandoning the consensus of his field, but this disconnect means that from the point of view of engendering constructive debate he has done no one else any favours at all. Naturally I do not restrict my conclusion on this matter to the topic of human reproductive cloning: it extends to all issues on which the public exhibit a consensus deriving more from psychological pressures than from dispassionate logic, and in particular it extends to the desirability of defeating aging.

            It is worth spelling out explicitly what this sort of situation means in practice. The natural, and strong, and indeed quite logical, tendency when arguing a particular ethical position is to start from precepts that one regards as so self-evident that one’s interlocutor is sure to agree on them, and to work forwards in sufficiently deliberate steps that one can be optimistic that one’s argument will be persuasive. Cognitivists generally view cognitivism itself as just such a precept – and therein lies the problem. An argument patently founded on the idea that the moral status of particular actions is objective, and thus on the (so I claim) inescapable corollary that one’s gut feeling (e.g., repugnance) is not reliable at all, will inevitably wash over an unabashed noncognitivist like water off a duck’s back: the precept is rejected, so the entirety of what follows is ignored. Moreover, and crucially, this is so whether or not the non-cognitivist recipient of the cognitivist’s argument has ever heard the word “cognitivism,” because no training in philosophy is needed in order to understand that trust in one’s own repugnance is a personal choice that conflicts with trust in dry ethical logic. This is, in my view, a fatal flaw in the rhetorical strategies employed by many pro-technology ethicists when discussing many issues, including extreme life extension.

            Is there an alternative? I believe there is. It derives from a concept that has become associated with the noted ethicist John Rawls under the moniker “reflective equilibrium” (Rawls 1971). Rawls observed that a reasonable approach to determining something’s ethical status (unacceptable, acceptable or imperative) is to develop principles – generalisations summarising what types of things are unacceptable, acceptable or imperative – and to see whether those principles cover the case under consideration. In order to work optimally, however, one must revisit these principles in the light of any case in which other, putatively trustworthy, routes to an opinion on what is right and wrong (such as examination of one’s repugnance) lead to conflicting conclusions. If only isolated situations exist in which one’s intuition and one’s stated principles conflict, the indicated way forward is to reject one’s intuition in favour of the principles. If there are many such situations, on the other hand, one would be better advised to seek a modified set of principles that better match one’s intuition. (From a scientific standpoint one can regard this as very similar to the principle of Occam’s Razor in prioritising scientific hypotheses.) Reflective equilibrium is, therefore, simply a method for discovering the moral status of actions, and in this regard it is one of many alternatives, reliance on repugnance being another. What distinguishes it from other such methods – critically distinguishes it, I would contend – is its possession of two key characteristics:

            - it is agnostic on the cognitivism/non-cognitivism issue;
            - it seems to be the algorithm that modern societies, even if not necessarily most of their constituent individuals, actually execute in evolving their ethical positions over time.

            I will not elaborate much further on the first of the above assertions. I merely note that the convergence of a set of moral precepts towards what one might call its “centre of moral gravity” is something that can happen whether or not the location of that centre is preordained by objective truth. Unlike the case of individual gut feelings about individual situations, it seems just as reasonable to suppose that the centre of gravity of an entire society’s views on the entire universe of ethical issues is reliably in accordance with objective morality (which exists) as it is to suppose that that centre is arbitrarily located (and objective morality does not exist). Simply put, we would probably not be as happy as we are if most of us weren’t already “right” about most moral issues. In other words, one can (I claim) be either a cognitivist or a non-cognitivist and have no qualms about society’s prevailing tendency to find its moral way using reflective equilibrium.


            Reflective equilibrium in recent history

            It may be valuable, on the other hand, to elaborate a little on my second assertion above – that modern societies actually use the reflective equilibrium algorithm as their main mechanism of moral exploration and progress.

            There are many conspicuous issues regarding which contemporary Western society generally takes a different ethical stance than it did a century or two ago. Slavery, universal suffrage and homosexuality constitute a representative selection. In all these cases, the view that originally prevailed was overturned because the arguments for the status quo were eventually seen to come down to no more than a fear of the unknown, a faith in the “natural order” and other similarly unrooted emotions, whereas the arguments for change consisted of appeals to the incompatibility of the traditional position with agreed moral stances on matters that were claimed, and eventually agreed, to be inescapably equivalent (in moral terms) to the disputed one.

            There may be a temptation to regard the success of reasoned arguments in these cases as supporting cognitivism, or at least as supporting the view that arguments that ethicists find appealing are likely also to be influential in the wider world. I dispute both these conclusions. My interpretation is that these episodes are merely examples of reflective equilibrium in action, and thus, as outlined above, that they say little about either the cognitivism/non-cognitivism question or the interest of the general public in what professional bioethicists think. The key point, I feel, is that the inescapability of an alleged equivalence between an issue on which the moral position is agreed and one on which it is initially disputed is not something that can be determined deductively: rather, it is a consequence of the acceptance of one or more principles (ethical generalisations, as described above) that encompass both issues. These principles, I claim, are not shown to be objectively true merely by their use in a successful reflective equilibrium process.


            Cognitivism-agnostic promotion of indefinite life extension

            This brings me to the crux of this essay. I take the view that the inexorable loss of vitality and rise in risk of death that we call “aging” is among – indeed, possibly foremost among – the sub5 optimal features of life as we currently know it. Thus, I am necessarily keen to combat aging as much as possible as soon as possible. Since society in general does not share my fervour on this matter, and since the required technological advances will undoubtedly require very considerable investment of time and money, my efforts to hasten the defeat of aging must perforce include not only direct, scientific, contributions to the development of that technology but also contributions to the effort to bring society around to my way of thinking, thereby causing these resources to be brought to bear (de Grey 2005a, 2005b). The considerations discussed above seem to me to give rise to a clear recommendation for the way forward on this matter, and it is one that does not always dominate the contemporary approaches of those commentators who already agree with me that aging is undesirable. It goes like this.

            Since reflective equilibrium (a) often succeeds in changing people’s minds and (b) is cognitivism-agnostic, humanity will benefit from constructing arguments that accelerate the reflective equilibrium process (in respect of any ethically controversial topic, not just aging). We will benefit less, I feel, from arguments that purport to start from the objectivity of morality and thus from the unreliability of gut feelings, because such arguments fail at the outset with the many people who accept the wisdom of repugnance.

            The difference between a cognitivism-agnostic argument and one starting from assertions of objective morality is subtle, which is doubtless why it seems to be easily overlooked. Essentially it comes down to the style of wording of introductory precepts. A line of reasoning that begins “As a starting-point, can we agree that X?” is cognitivism-agnostic, whereas one that begins “As a starting point, there is no doubt that X” is cognitivist. X is typically a moral position on a specific issue; the reflective equilibrium process then suggests a principle that “explains why” the agreed moral position is correct, and then that that principle also applies to the disputed issue. Typically either the principle, its applicability to the original agreed issue or its applicability to the disputed one is then challenged; third and subsequent issues then come into play. But the critical point is that at no stage in this process is the interlocutor’s often deep-seated respect for his or her own gut feelings confronted head-on: rather, it is gradually and systematically undermined piece by piece. By this avoidance of a defensive reaction, success becomes, if not necessarily likely, at least likelier.


            Moral acceptability versus moral imperatives

            In respect of combating aging, possibly the most important quality of a cognitivism-agnostic approach is that it lends itself quite readily to the conclusion that aging is not merely something we should let people combat if they wish but actually something that we all have a moral duty to help combat. The principles that one naturally brings to bear on this question when applying reflective equilibrium to it are ones supporting the moral equivalence of aging with phenomena that society has already, firmly, decided that we do all have a duty to combat – most obviously, age-related diseases. It would be electorally unwise for a political party to campaign on a manifesto that committed it to abolishing public funding for research on cancer, diabetes and Alzheimer’s disease and making commensurate tax cuts; this is because society overwhelmingly considers that expenditure on such research is a collective responsibility, not one that should be funded only by voluntary charitable donations. Arguments based on objective morality often lack this useful characteristic, because they tend to place more emphasis on speculations concerning what a post-aging world will be like, which are only as persuasive as the listener’s inability to postulate contrary speculations permits.

            This is not, I stress, meant to imply that “merely” persuading society that combating aging is morally acceptable would be a failure, and that only the complete victory of persuading society that it is a moral imperative will do. Not only is the latter goal implausible in the short term, it is also unnecessary: in the first instance the committed support of only a small (though preferably wealthy) minority of society would suffice to allow the relevant science to proceed as rapidly as it can. As regards the rest of society, a muting of their opposition to such a goal is all that is needed. But this is a classic case of the “suitable outrageous extreme” – in any debate, one tends to have a much better chance of shifting one’s interlocutor part-way towards one’s own declared position than the whole way, irrespective of how far apart these two initial positions are. If, by arguing cogently that combating aging is a duty, we can convince quite a few active opponents (not least the bioethicists highlighted at the start of this essay) that it is at least an acceptable activity, we will have achieved much.

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