Hey people, this is the topic of Sunday's gathering in Santa Monica (see the event listing I put up a few days ago on this tribe page):
HUMOR: what makes something funny, and what’s the nature of humor? What's distinctive about humor? Can philosophy or psychology tell us anything about it? Is it something we could program a computer to have?
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I hope to see some of you there! Also, you can start a discussion of humor in this thread, too.
HUMOR: what makes something funny, and what’s the nature of humor? What's distinctive about humor? Can philosophy or psychology tell us anything about it? Is it something we could program a computer to have?
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I hope to see some of you there! Also, you can start a discussion of humor in this thread, too.
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Fri, December 8, 2006 - 12:12 AMIf anybody would like to read or skim something related to the topic of humor, I have two articles for you. The first, called “Humor,” is a good review of the major proposed definitions & theories of humor that philosophers, psychologists and others have proposed over the centuries. It’s about 10 pages long, and is from a site we use often, The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: www.iep.utm.edu/h/humor.htm
Secondly, the journal “Evolutionary Psychology” has an article that offers a contemporary explanation of the nature and function of humor and laughter. It is long (about 26 pages), so skim quickly through it to find the basic ideas:
human-nature.com/ep/articl...14253.html
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Fri, December 8, 2006 - 3:48 PMGreat topic, unfortunately I may not be able to meet this Sunday. I think the three main theories are all in play. But to assess any theory, one should look at concrete examples of humor. Also, one has to distinguish between theories of laughter and theories of humor, as the author of one of Brian's articles pointed out - though some of the criticisms of a particular theory of humor in that article dealt with examples involving laughter and not necessarily humor.
Generally, I think humor involves a combination of a misleading inference (the joke leads you to think it's going one way but then diverts in another, surprising direction) combined with a reductio ad absurdum (taking the logic of the subject matter to an absurd degree, again in an unexpected direction), all happening quickly which results in a sudden relase of tension from relaxed social expectations. -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sat, December 9, 2006 - 6:38 PMMy friend Milt has some ideas on the nature of humor. He asked me to post them here:
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COMEDY
a. Comedy is similar to tragedy in most ways, but instead of crying about
the absurdities and injustices of life, we laugh. Laughter produces the
same cathartic effect as tears. Physiologically, the two are similar:
There are involuntary convulsions of the thorax, with uncontrolled
vocalization, activation of the tear-ducts, contraction of facial muscles,
and loss of control over bodily muscles. This explosive release of tension
also helps to preserve mental health. Laughter is a primitive cry of
triumph. When an ape defeats an opponent he joyfully jumps up-and-down,
bares his teeth, screams gleefully, beats his chest, and slaps his hands
together. Laughter always makes us feel superior to the thing we are
laughing at.
b. Whereas the tragic view of life is rather passive and compassionate, the
comic view is hostile and aggressive. Instead of resigning himself to the
absurdities of life, a comic character attacks them. Therefore, the premise
of a comedy is usually negative, attacking some idea or type of behavior
through derision. To joke about something is to attack it. To laugh at
something is to feel superior to it.
c. Whereas tragedy deals with universals, comedy is more involved with
surface values and the commonplace. Its emphasis is on the here-and-now,
not the long perspective. (That's part of its negative premise, since it is
foolish to allow yourself to be overwhelmed by trivialities of the moment.)
There are timely allusions, local references, and contemporaneous
characters. There must be a feeling of freshness and spontaneity rather
than thoughtful reflection.
d. Whereas tragedy deals with characters bigger than ourselves, whom we
should emulate, comedy deals with characters smaller than ourselves, whom we
should not emulate.
e. The plot is complicated and fast-paced. The audience isn't given time to
think about what is happening.
f. There's a sense of healthy robustness which implies that man can take any
mis-fortune in stride. When we cry, we have a feeling that we've lost
control of things. In order to laugh, we must feel in control. We must be
self-confident. Comedy, therefore, helps us feel superior, and thus
restores self-confidence.
g. Everything is treated with a light-hearted touch. We recognize that it's
all in fun. If a comic takes a pratfall so hard that we fear he's actually
hurt, it ceases to be funny.
h. The content of comedy deals with breaking some taboo in the prevailing
mythologies of a culture, thereby creating a certain amount of shock.
Consequently the primary motivations of the characters are disreputable. In
American culture the most common taboos are sex, religion, politics, and
crime or disaster; so those are the primary subjects of humor. In other
words, whatever we are not supposed to laugh at - that's what we laugh at.
The subject-matter must arouse a certain amount of anxiety, which we then
release through laughter.
i. There are three essential elements of humor: (a) incongruity, (b)
surprise, and (c) recognition. A joke must have at least one of these
elements. The more elements it has, the funnier it will be. The most
satisfying type of joke is called "wit"- one which places an enemy in an
incongruous position - and which also provides unexpected insight. It's the
surprising recognition of truth that delights us most. And if that truth
also makes our enemies look ridiculous, so much the better. It's the
presence or absence of this kind of wit and ingenuity that makes the
difference between "high-comedy" and "low-comedy." The same three elements
must be present to make a scene sexy, or frightening. But whether a given
scene will be sexy, shocking, or funny depends on the context of the scene,
and on the audience. The same scene might strike one person as sexy,
another as shocking, and a third as funny.
j. As in tragedy, the reversals of fortune are surprising, but logical and
believable. That's part of the recognition element. It is a recognition of
probability.
k. There is a happy ending - which in itself is ironic.
--Milt
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 1:04 AMMilt seems to be embracing the superiority theory of humor. As Brian's first article pointed out however, there is humor that doesn't appear to reflect a superiority in the listener. For example, in the lame comedy Full House years back, the writers were always able to get a cheap laugh by having the 3 year old Olsen twins say anything adult, such as "You go girl!" Similar comedy is when animals are depicted as doing human things. Both cases involve the subject of the humor rising above expectations. It's hard to see how one can interpret that as reflecting a feeling of superiority over the subject.
I'm beginning to think superiority theories can be interpreted in terms of incongruity theories. The incongruity in play is an incongruity of social expectations. When someone acts really stupidly, that is incongruous to how we normally expect someone to behave. It's unclear as to why we physically laugh in reaction to such. Yes, there's the ape pounding his chest in superiority theory, but again, that doesn't answer why we think animals and children acting above their expectations is funny. Also, feeling victorious and superior over our opponents doesn't always make us laugh. Finally, this theory doesn’t account for humor representing a radical and sudden violation of our expectations. If we know a person is stupid and does stupid things, then seeing the person doing stupid things would not likely be that funny, particularly if we expected the person to act precisely as we see them act. If humor represents just a feeling of superiority, then anticipating that the person in question would act stupidly and does in fact act so should still elicit a humor reaction (laughter) in us. However, punch lines anticipated are not that funny. It has to be unexpected. So it can’t just be feeling superior. If feeling superior is involved, it has to be related to a situation where someone acts radically and suddenly alternative to our social expectations.
One thing appears clear is that comedy has to involve a radical and abrupt change in expectations. That's why timing is important in comedy, as well as avoiding "telegraphing" the punch line. If the listener anticipates the punch line, then s/he won't be experiencing a radical and abrupt change in expectations. That's probably also why hearing a joke the second time isn't funny (or at least nearly as much), since you already expect the punch line. However, sometimes jokes told or heard a second time are still funny (note how sometimes when we want to tell a joke we heard and thought was funny that we sometimes have a hard time not "keeping a straight face"). I think what's going on is that the change in expectation represented in the joke, relative to the joke’s set up, is so radical that the person repeating the joke is still having difficulty coming to grips with the radical change in expectation represented in the flow of the joke.
The problem with incongruity theories is why we don't find all incongruities funny. My answer is that it's not just a simple incongruity that's going on. It's a particular kind of incongruity involving (at least primarily) social relationships, but more importantly the logic of the joke's subject matter. “Incongruity” just means that something is not going together. But a joke that has a punch line that doesn't have any relationship with the set up of the joke (which would still be incongruous) isn't funny. The punch line has to follow the logic of the joke's subject matter, although in a direction that's radically and abruptly different than what the listener expects.
Most if not the vast majority of if not all jokes involve leading the listener into a false sense of direction of the joke. The listener listens to the set up which falsely leads the listener to think the story is going to go in one direction but then the punch line goes in a radically different direction. But what's important is that the punch line still have a logical relationship with the logic of the joke's subject matter, what I call the key operative concept of the joke. Take a simple joke like "His ass is so big its gravity pulls satellites out of orbit." The key operative concept of the joke is the excessive size of the subject's posterior. Now if I had said, "His ass is so big that he needs to have custom made pants", that wouldn't be a joke, since the conclusion follows normal expectations of what someone with a large behind might have to experience.
But the key operative concept is "The guy has a big butt." Aside from real world expectations, that concept doesn't tell you how big his butt is or could be. So logically (though not realistically - and by logically I mean deductive logic), just saying it's big allows an inference that it could be so big as to have a gravitational pull sufficient to pull satellites out of orbit. Obviously not likely, but logically possible if the only parameter of the concept is that the thing in question is very large. Though that inference is logically possible from the premise that the guy’s butt is big, nevertheless it is a radically different inference than what one would expect if one heard that a person has a large butt, hence the joke.
Graphically, imagine a straight line. That line represents the direction the joke set up is leading the listener. As the set up proceeds, the listener is pulled along the direction of the line, with the comic’s hope that the listener will follow that line in a normally expected direction. At the key point of the punch line however, the logic of the joke's key operative concept (the joke’s subject matter), can logically (through pure deduction, without regard to real world likelihood) take the story in a range of possible directions. So at the moment just prior to the punch line, you might visualize an angle coming out of that straight line representing the range of logically possible directions that the joke story line might go, with the point just prior to the punch line being the vertex and the two diverging rays representing the outer boundaries of logical possibilities of where the direction of the joke, given the story line up until the point of the vertex, could go. A punch line going beyond that range would just not make any sense, violating the logic of humor. Within the range of that larger angle representing the range of logical possibility is a smaller angle representing the range of likely or reasonably expected outcomes given the set up of the joke.
So the listener of the joke follows the line of logic of the joke up until what I called the vertex point, just prior to the punch line. At that point, the listener has expectations of where the story will or might go. However, the punch line takes the story in a direction that logically follows the set up but which is radically (in an absurd and extremely unrealistic sense) and abruptly different than what was expected.
Any theory of humor needs to address real world examples. A few years ago a serious study was conducted to determine the existence, if any, of humor that appealed cross culturally, at lest across western nations. After much research, the joke that turned out to have the broadest international appeal was the following:
“A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: “My friend is dead! What can I do?” The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: “Just take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead.” There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says: “OK, now what?"”
The vertex point of this joke is the point where the operator suggests making sure that the fallen hunter is dead. That one line from the operator also represents the key operative concept of the joke: namely, the concept of making sure that the fallen hunter is dead. Now, if one were to suggest making sure someone is dead, in the given context of the joke’s set up, the reasonable expectation, reflecting real world experiences, is to check the fallen hunter for vital signs to determine if he is alive or not. Since that would be an expected inference of the operator’s suggestion, that inference would not constitute a punch line, and the story would not be a joke. However, there are at least two logically possible meanings to the phrase “make sure he’s dead.” Aside from the previous, more expected (given the context) meaning, the alternative meaning is to do what is necessary to ensure that the individual is dead. That is, make him dead. Some word play is in operation here, since “make sure” can mean either “necessitate” or “ascertain for certain”. The former sense is causal and the latter is epistemological.
This latter, causal inference from the operator’s comment is radically different than what one would expect in such a situation, particularly given the surviving hunter’s concern for the well being of his fallen friend.
This joke has several incongruities working, perhaps reflecting the joke’s broad appeal. There is the incongruity of the mistaken inference from the operator’s suggestion. There is the incongruity of the surviving friend, obviously concerned about the well being of his fallen friend, shooting and killing him, particularly in his vulnerable state. Finally, on a related note, there is the incongruity of someone being so stupid as to make such an absurd inference. Such breathtaking stupidity is radically different than what we normally expect when interacting with others.
This misleading inference theory also explains word play jokes in general. A word is used that can have more than one meaning. Given the context of how the joke is set up, one possible meaning is expected, but the joke is a joke because an alternative meaning, hopefully one radically different than what one would expect given the joke set up, is drawn out. Slapstick humor involves individuals physically behaving radically different than what our social expectation would lead us to believe are the range of likely behaviors. In a classic pie fight scene in a Three Stooges episode, the pie fight occurs during a formal black tie banquet. The setting of a black tie banquet establishes a set of reasonable possible behaviors that one would infer as likely to occur at such an event, and a pie fight is radically different than what one would expect. A modern audience might not find such a scene funny any more since pie fights are so hoary in the history of comedy, that it wouldn’t be so radical a violation of expectations if one were watching a comedy.
This theory also explains why children at such an early age laugh at things. An adult makes a silly face to a six-month child, violating the child’s expectations in a nonthreatening way, and the child laughs because the adult is acting in a way radically different than what the child expects adults to behave.
A joke that I have often used in explaining my theory is an old joke from Steve Martin, which goes as follows:
I’m feeling kinda depressed. I’ve been thinking about my old girlfriend. She’s not living any more, and I kinda blame myself. We were at a party. She’d been drinking. She asked me to drive her home. I didn’t want to. She asked me again. “Steve, will you please drive me home.” I didn’t want to, so I shot her.
The key operative concept in the above joke is that his girlfriend is dead, she had been drinking at a party, and he blames himself for her death. The normal expected inference from that is that she died in an alcohol involved car accident. However, there is nothing that necessarily follows from the premise that she had been drinking. So a logically possible inference from the fact that she’s dead and that he blames himself is that he killed her. That inference, though a logically possible inference from the key operative concept of the joke, is nevertheless radically different than an any expected inference from the joke’s set up, particularly given the comic’s expression of depression and guilt over his girlfriend’s death.
Some might argue that many humor instances don’t have set-ups from which to draw inferences. An example might be the aforesaid case of a very young child saying something adult, or an animal acting human. But our minds operate rapidly. We see a child or animal and we immediately expect the child or animal to act as children and animals normally act, and hence infer a set of expected possible behaviors from the mere fact that they are children and animals. However children do say things, and they are human beings, so a logical inference from that is that they could say anything, even though there is a range of logically possible things a child could say that are radically different than what we would normally expect them to say.
One final word about laughing at subjects we do feel superior to. The logic of such jokes is that the subject is stupid and inferior to the audience in some way. However, there is a range of possible behaviors that one would expect of someone even if one deems him or her stupid. Hence, the comic could take the logic of the key operative concept of the subjects presumed stupidity and draw it out to an extreme beyond what one would realistically expect. In this sense a joke is in many ways a reductio ad absurdum type of argument. Taking the logic of a concept and drawing the logic out to an absurd degree.
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Tue, January 9, 2007 - 7:43 PMThe problem with all the philosophical theories of humor that I have read is that they are one dimensional: They tend to be either Superiority Theories, or Incongruity Theories, or some other single thing.
My contention is that laughter is a very complex physiological reaction, and in order to elicit it, many different factors must be present simultaneously: There must be Structure, Content, and Context. And each of those categories is itself complex.
Under Structure, the event must have at least one of the following three elements: (1) Incongruity, (2) Surprise, and (3) Recognition.
(1) By incongruity I mean that something must be out of place, or inappropriate for a certain situation.
If a dignified man were making a thank-you speech at an Academy Award ceremony and suddenly his pants fell down, that would be incongruous. On the other hand, if a clown at a circus takes a bow and his pants fall down, that would not be particularly incongruous, because that is a traditional part of a clown act.
If a politician is making a serious speech and someone runs on stage and hits him in the face with a pie, that would be incongruous. But if it were a sketch on Saturday Night Live, it would not be out of place at all.
When George W. Bush mispronounces a word, that is incongruous, because the president of the United States is expected to be an educated person. But if a child were to mispronounce the same word, it would not be particularly out of place, because we know a child is still struggling to learn the language.
So incongruity, in itself, may or may not elicit a laugh; it depends on other factors.
(2) By surprise I mean that something happens unexpectedly. One of the funniest events in TV history happened at an Academy Award ceremony, when a man suddenly streaked across the stage in the nude. Because it was such a surprising and inappropriate action, the streaking itself created a huge laugh. But to make the scene even funnier, David Niven, the master of ceremonies, topped it by saying, “That man may be the only person in the world who was proud to show off his shortcomings.” That he was able to think of such a witty response so quickly was even more surprising. And the word “shortcomings” was also a double-entendre – which was still more surprising.
Misdirection is another type of surprise. A comedian starts a joke by leading the audience to think he is talking about one thing, but by ending the joke with an unexpected word, we see that he was really talking about something else. Puns and malapropisms are all examples of words being used in inappropriate and surprising ways.
If you see a funny movie, you will usually not want to see it again, because the gags will no longer be surprising. If you have heard a joke before, then you won’t laugh at it when someone tells it again – except perhaps to be polite.
If you are broadsided by a drunk driver, that is a surprise. But it probably won’t make you laugh.
So surprise, in itself, may or may not elicit laughter. It depends on other factors.
(3) By recognition, I mean that the audience must understand the joke. When Jay Leno makes a joke about some famous person, we must first recognize the name and secondly remember why they have recently been in the news; otherwise we won’t “get” the joke. All “topical” humor requires an audience which reads newspapers and knows what is going on in the world.
When Rich Little, Dana Carvey, or Darrell Hammond does an impression of some famous person, we must be able to recognize who they are impersonating or we won’t think it is funny. This requires first that the audience be familiar with the person being imitated, and secondly that the actor be skilled enough to create an accurate imitation of their most recognizable characteristics. The fact that a skilled impressionist is able to transform themselves into some other easily recognizable person is, in itself, both incongruous and surprising.
If you were standing in a theater line and suddenly turn around and find yourself facing your next door neighbor, you are both almost certain to laugh. Because you (1) instantly recognize each other, (2) recognize that you are both in an unfamiliar setting, and (3) such a meeting was totally surprising.
Another element of recognition that is frequently overlooked is recognition of a high degree of probability. In other words, a gag must be plausible. In the genre of slapstick farce, such as The Three Stooges, The Marx Brothers, Keystone Kops, Abbot and Costello, etc., there is plenty of incongruity, the incongruities are frequently unexpected, and we understand why we are supposed to laugh. But sophisticated adults usually don’t laugh – because the situations depicted are so exaggerated as to be implausible. We recognize that such a thing would not really happen. Children, on the other hand, find farce much funnier than their parents do because virtually everything in life is surprising to them. Adults don’t laugh as much as they did when they were children because they have “been there, done that, and heard that.” Nothing surprises them anymore. Adults appreciate more sophisticated humor, such as word play regarding arcane subjects that they haven’t heard before, and that children and uneducated adults probably would not understand.
Part of the popularity of “Reality” television shows is this element of veracity. When something happens that we think is unscripted, it is much funnier than it would be on a Situation Comedy, which we know has been written, acted, and edited. But even with unscripted TV shows, we know that the program has at least been edited in order to show us only the funniest moments. So when something incongruous and unexpected happens in real life, that will strike us as the funniest of all.
I think the longest and most raucous laugh I ever heard happened one time during a speech contest for Atheists United. There was a banner for Atheists United mounted on the wall behind the lectern. Just as one of the orators reached the climax of his speech, militantly proclaiming that “There is no God!” suddenly the banner came crashing to the floor – as though God were sending a message to us evil atheists. If this event were presented as a skit on Saturday Night Live, the audience would probably laugh, but not as hard – because everyone would recognize that even though it could happen, it was only something that someone planned as a joke.
As far as Structure is concerned, at least one of the preceding elements must be present in order for something to strike us as funny. But the more elements it has, the funnier it will be. The example of the speech contest was the funniest of all, because for the banner to fall at any time during the program would have been incongruous. But for it to fall perfectly on cue was certainly surprising. And we all knew that it happened completely by accident. So, all three elements were present in spades.
Finally, the recognition element must happen very suddenly. The realization of what the joke is about must strike the viewer or listener as suddenly as a Karate chop. That’s why comedians say “It’s all in the timing.” If Jay Leno fluffs a word during a joke, then it blunts the impact of the point. This suddenness is part of the surprise.
Under the heading of Content, I mean that the gag (whether acted or spoken) must be about some subject. Some subjects are inherently ripe for ridicule; some are not. Those that create a certain level of anxiety in the audience are the most fruitful. These are the ones which are surrounded by taboos. They are not fit for “polite” conversation. They are not “politically correct.” Traditionally, they include sex, religion, aggression, politics, and crime or tragedy. These are things you are not supposed to joke about. Breaking these taboos can be out of place (incongruous), unexpected (surprising), and if the audience knows exactly what the comedian is referring to (recognizable).
Under the heading of Context, I am referring to the time and place of an event, the people involved in the event (actors, or other subjects), the composition of the audience and their expectations.
When breaking a taboo, the comic must correctly analyze the total context of the situation in order to make a gag “work.” He is always walking on thin ice. A joke must be close enough to the cutting edge of what is acceptable, but without stepping over the line. A joke about religion might work very well in a comedy club, but totally bomb at a church social. On the other hand, it might work very well at a Unitarian church, but not a Baptist one.
Let’s say our atheist speaker had been delivering his speech at the invitation of a church which had agreed to hear representatives from various religious points of view. When the banner fell at the climax of his speech, an audience of fundamentalists might well have gasped in awe at the miracle they had just witnessed – which demonstrated God’s displeasure at the speech. But it was hilarious to an atheist audience, which perceived the event as a pure coincidence.
Recently, Jay Leno tried to make a joke about 9/11. It bombed. He said, “Oops... too soon.” The subject is still too raw to make jokes about it. In a few more months perhaps the wounds will have healed enough to laugh. And the laughter will help us heal.
To joke about a person is to attack that person. So a comedian must assess whether it is safe to attack a certain famous person in front of a particular audience. If the person attacked is perceived as an enemy of the audience, they will laugh uproariously; but if it is one of their current heroes, the joke will bomb.
I should also add that there is a difference between a hostile laugh and a sympathetic one. What I have been analyzing refers to hostile laughter – which is by far the most satisfying type. A sympathetic laugh is usually one which is produced in order to be agreeable in a social situation. But sympathetic humor, such as America’s Funniest Home Videos, or some kind of Animal Antics, is likely to produce more smiles than belly laughs.
I could go on. But for an analysis of different types of comedic plays and films, go to my website: www.miltontimmons.com and read the excerpts from my textbook, "Orientation to Cinema." There you will find the differences in writing and production between High Comedy, Low Comedy, Parody, Satire, High Camp, and Low Camp.
--Milt
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 11:03 AMCouple of more thoughts:
Again, a theory of humor is logically distinguishable from a theory of laughter, since we sometimes laugh at things that aren't humor (such as when someone says something really stupid) and something can be humorous without making us laugh (we might smile instead of laugh at a clever witticism). Nevertheless I don't think you can seriously address a theory of humor without addressing a theory of laughter. Most of the time when we joke, we want the audience to laugh, so we are seeking to make them laugh. Making them laugh is the goal, and hence we thus have in mind some way, some logic, for trying to produce the laugh. Thus, to understand what is going on in humor requires understanding the joke's strategy for making one laugh, which in turn requires understanding why we laugh.
Thinking about it some more, I'm wondering about the function of anxiety relief theory in humor. Perhaps anxiety relief explains laughter rather than humor per se. I'm wondering specifically if the following is the case: Surprises tend to create in us anxiety situations. Perhaps a flight or fight reaction. When we immediately recognize that the situation in question is not a threat, we're relieved. So we gasp, and then immediately release the breath in relief. If this sequence is rapid enough, there is a laugh. Extreme and rapid incongruity produces a cognitive dissonance in us which surprises us and hence creates a form of cognitive anxiety. The "punch line" of the humor situation is radically different than what we expect, and radical violations of our expectations produces anxiety, since we survive based on our expectations. Since the context of the joke is non threatening, there is immediate relief. The pleasure is the realization that you are safe in spite of the surprising situation.
Examples: We laugh when we see a prank on someone causing them to shout in fear when in reality there is no real threat. We project ourselves into the situation and simultaneously empathize with the anxiety of the fear while feeling the immediate relief knowing that there is no real threat. There is also a cognitive dissonance involved when seeing someone shout out in a way we're not familiar with. This perhaps explains the appeal of prank shows that target celebrities, since our normal experiences with celebrities doesn't usually involve them leaping and shreiking in horror.
We see someone do something surprisingly stupid. We project ourselves into the situation and empathize with the threat and anxiety that being perceived to be stupid can cause, but feel immediate relief due to the recongnition that it is happening to someone else. Also, again, the stupid action radically violates our normal expectations of how people should act. This violation of expectations creates further anxiety in us. Finally, even if we think a person is stupid to begin with, that stupidity provides a premise from which one can make an inference that follows the logic of the situation's key operative concept (the subject's stupidity). If the comic takes that logic to an extreme far beyond what the audience would normally expect, there's a cognitive dissonance created by the joke's punch line radically violating reasonable expectations. Hence people who think President Bush is stupid laugh at jokes which follow the logic of Bush's perceived stupidity to an extreme.
So why don't all extrememy stupid actions cause us to laugh? Because many extremely stupid actions are not in a context that makes us immediately realize that there is no threat. Many stupid actions create real threats that aren't immediately relieved.
Laughing at our own stupid things we do is another example. Jokes made at our expense done in a supportive environment, such as roasts or among friends, create anxiety at the recognition that we are perceived to be acting stupidly, yet the nonthreatening environment causes immediate relief since we recognize that no threat is involved. This also explains why we don't laugh when the same jokes made at our expense are made in hostile situations (being made fun of by social opponents), since the social threat is real and there is no immediate relief from the anxiety.
An adult making a face at a young child (e.g. 6 month old). The adult almost immediately follows the face with a smile to ensure the child that no threat is involved. If the adult didn't follow with a smile, the child might perceive the surprising adult behavior as a threat and cry instead of laugh. With the smile, the surprising and unexpected behavior of the adult creates anxiety in the child that is immediately relieved upon the child knowing that there is no real threat, given the smile.
Practical jokes: They create anxiety in the subject which is relieved by the fact that the practical joke is not a real threatening situation. There's also the relief of knowing that the anxiety is happening to someone else, which is probably why practical jokes are funnier to people other than the target of the joke. One might ask why some people laugh at real anxiety producing situations that happen to others where there's actually a real threat. Cruel laughter. That is probably explained again by the fact that the laugher recognizes that there is no threat to him. Such laughter requires a degree of emotional dissonance and lack of empathy in the target. Others empathizing with the target recognize that the threat is real and hence there's not anxiety relief.
One of the criticisms of the anxiety theory is that jokes sometimes don't have time for anxiety build up. But our minds work very rapidly. There is a principle in humor which I call the Principle of Syllable Economy, which basically says that a joke should have the minimum number of syllables necessary to create optimal humor. Sort of humor parsimony. Don't add unnecessary syllables. Think of any joke you find funny and start substituting words in it with synonyms that have more syllables with the replaced words, and add words to the joke that fit the logic of the joke but nevertheless add more words than necessary. You will most likely find the joke less humorous. As a case in point, look at my other post where I posted the New Jersey hunters joke. Imagine the final sentence being, instead of "OK, not what?", but rather, "OK, I shot him, now what." The joke is less funny with just three extra syllables.
What I think is going on is that the more syllables you have, the more time the listener has to see where you're going with the joke, in which case the punch line is less unanticipated. Since the punch line has to veer off in a radically unexpected fashion, telling the joke in as few syllables as necessary leaves little time to anticipate the punch line and hence contributes to the punch line representing a more radically unexpected result. What this means then is that our minds are working in a very rapid manner when one single syllable adversely affects the humor value of the joke.
It's really only necessary to create the anxiety of a radically absurd juxtaposition of what was expected and the actual result of the joke story to, when coupled with a nonthreatening context, result in instant anxiety (from extreme cognitive dissonance, empathy with the foolish looking subject of the humor, etc.) and instant relief. We see a young child (say three years old) and instantly infer that the child will behave as children normally behave. If the child says something adult ("What's up dude?"), we laugh because the child instantly creates in us cognitive anxiety resulting from the surprise of the child acting radically different than expected, but in an obviously nonthreatening way.
This all might explain why people enjoy watching horror movies. There's the juxtaposition of an anxiety producing situation with a nonthreatening context (the safe movie theater and knowing it's just a fictional story). We may not laugh while watching the horror movie since the ongoing story is maintaining anxiety that isn't relieved. However, in Halloween haunted house situations where scares are isolated and not in the context of an ongoing story, immediately after someone is scared in one room of the house, they often laugh, since the anxiety is relieved (threat recognized as not real) until the next scary room. Danger, anxiety, relief, in a very short period of time. Gasp, exhale, happiness and relief. The laugh.
One criticism of anxiety relief theories is that people who are most anxious tend not to laugh as much. However, such people have anxiety from other situations: work, home, etc. The theory I have in mind requires that the laugh inducing anxiety needs to be produced by the joke situation itself, coupled with the immediate relief of the anxiety when simultaneously recognizing that there is no real threat involved. Someone in a comedy club anxious about work is not going to have that anxiety relieved by a joke about airplane food. He can only laugh if he can emotionally distance himself from the outside anxiety and immerse in the logic of the comic's jokes.
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 11:09 AMBy the way, check out this site which summarizes the results of a two year study by a British university looking for the world's funniest joke, and looking for cross national comparisons of what makes something funny.
www.laughlab.co.uk/
One interesting point is that the researchers found that men (and particularly Americans) tended to laugh more at things showing superiority over the subject of the joke, whereas women tended to laugh more at word play.
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 11:55 AMGiven that the topic is HUMOR, maybe people would like to contribute their favorite jokes. Also, since this is all about philosophy, try to show, if you can, how your ideas on humor account for why that joke is funny! -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 12:20 PMI think we can make a few distinctions to make about the nature of humor. We can break up the ideas on the nature of humor into a few types:
1) THE DEFINITION OF HUMOR (theories about what humor is, in itself; what’s unique about humor; criteria for what makes something funny, the interpretation we have that makes the “funny” thing humorous to us, etc.)
a) THE NATURE OF THE THING THAT’S FUNNY: the situation, joke, etc. that causes us to find it funny
b) THE NATURE OF THE HUMOR RESPONSE: the cognitive and emotional response in us that humor is.
2) THE FUNCTION OF HUMOR (the psychological or sociological effect on humans of using and appreciating humor and laughter, e.g., social bonding, communication of our mental states & views to others, conflict resolution, displaying a sense of superiority over others, a release of tension, etc.).
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 12:24 PMDISQUALIFIERS TO SOMETHING BEING FUNNY: something may otherwise be funny, but something else about the situation or about our point of view prevents it from being funny. For example:
A cat is gracefully, haughtily walking across a thin wooden plank, but suddenly trips, scrambles then falls. That’s funny. Then we see that the cat died from the fall. No longer so funny. The tragic nature of the result has disqualified its funnyness (at least for some people!).
Also note that the “scope” by which we view the situation seems to matter as to whether it’s funny. In other words, the narrowly defined situation of a cat scrambling then falling is funny. The larger situation that takes into account of the cat’s later death is not as funny.
Another example: the ironic death of the crocodile hunter Steve Irwin had some humorous aspects to it because he was doing something at the time that everyone thought to not be too dangerous. He was doing something non-confrontational with a stingray, normally a calm, mild animal. Yet he’d never gotten himself killed in his frequent episodes of wrestling the far more aggressive and dangerous crocodiles. Now, that kind of irony is funny, at least a bit. Yet, when we widen the scope of the situation, and consider the painful, tragic nature of his death, it’s not as funny. -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 12:27 PMOne kind of humor:
In many cases, something is funny due to the sudden perception of something embarrassing (because it is socially and/or intellectually inappropriate to the situation). In other words, someone in the situation or joke does or thinks something incorrectly/inappropriately, and we are embarrassed for that person, either at the recognition of the person looking foolish and/or at the pain the person feels.
Sometimes, this situation causes us to feel that the person is below us, and this can add to our laughter, depending on the psychological make-up of the person who finds it funny. I’m not sure if this additional laughter, due to a feeling of one-upsmanship, is a kind of laughter that’s due to funnyness itself, or due to a different emotional reaction other than humor. Can laughter be merely an emotional expression of a desire for dominance, a kind of celebration of the foolishness of another that makes us appear to be above them? -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 12:29 PMVARIOUS QUOTES & IDEAS ON HUMOR THAT I’VE COME ACROSS:
"Humor = Tragedy + Time." -- Woody Allen
“We like to laugh at the foolish actions of others so that we don’t feel alone in our embarrassing behavior”-- Susan W (a friend of mine)
Humor as a remedy for pain and tragedy: “People laugh because it hurts, because it’s the only thing that will make it stop hurting…[funny events] are tragic… I had been told that a funny thing is a thing of goodness. But it isn’t. Not ever is it funny to the person it happens to… The goodness is in the laughing…it is a bravery and a sharing against pain, sorrow and defeat… It is not a goodness go laugh at people…but [it is a goodness] to laugh at us [ourselves].” – Robert Heinlein
“Sudden glory is the passion which makes…Laughter. And it’s caused either by some sudden act of their own that pleaseth them, or by the apprehension of some deformed thing in another, by comparison whereof they suddenly applaud themselves. And it’s incident most to those who are conscious of the fewest abilities in themselves, who are forced to keep themselves in their own favor by observing the imperfections of other men.” – Thomas Hobbes
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 12:37 PMFrom the Laugh lab website that did the research for the world's funniest joke:
Joke with broadest appeal internationally:
A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: “My friend is dead! What can I do?” The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: “Just take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead.” There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says: “OK, now what?"
Dr. Wiseman: “Also, we find jokes funny for lots of different reasons – they sometimes make us feel superior to others, reduce the emotional impact of anxiety-provoking events, or surprise us because of some kind of incongruity. The hunters joke contains all three elements – we feel superior to the stupid hunter, realize the incongruity of him misunderstanding the operator and the joke helps us to laugh about our concerns about our own mortality."
Second place:
Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson go on a camping trip. After a good dinner and a bottle of wine, they retire for the night, and go to sleep.
Some hours later, Holmes wakes up and nudges his faithful friend. "Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see."
"I see millions and millions of stars, Holmes" replies Watson.
"And what do you deduce from that?"
Watson ponders for a minute.
"Well, astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three. Meteorologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. Theologically, I can see that God is all powerful, and that we are a small and insignificant part of the universe. What does it tell you, Holmes?"
Holmes is silent for a moment. "Watson, you idiot!" he says. "Someone has stolen our tent!"
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Most popular joke in the United States:
A man and a friend are playing golf one day at their local golf course. One of the guys is about to chip onto the green when he sees a long funeral procession on the road next to the course. He stops in mid-swing, takes off his golf cap, closes his eyes, and bows down in prayer. His friend says: “Wow, that is the most thoughtful and touching thing I have ever seen. You truly are a kind man.” The man then replies: “Yeah, well we were married 35 years.”
Top joke in Canada:
When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.
Top joke in UK
A woman gets on a bus with her baby. The bus driver says: “That's the ugliest baby that I've ever seen. Ugh!” The woman goes to the rear of the bus and sits down, fuming. She says to a man next to her: “The driver just insulted me!” The man says: “You go right up there and tell him off – go ahead, I'll hold your monkey for you.”
Top joke in Belgium
Why do ducks have webbed feet?
To stamp out fires.
Why do elephants have flat feet?
To stamp out burning ducks.
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Popular joke in France:
"You're a high-priced lawyer! If I give you $500, will you answer two questions for me?"
"Absolutely! What's the second question?"
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Popular in Belgium:
“Well, you see, there are basically three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those that can't."
Popular in Sweden:
"A guy phones the local hospital and yells, `you've gotta send help! My wife's in labour!" The nurse says, `calm down. Is this her first child?' He replies, `no! This is her husband!"'
Men versus women:
Dr Wiseman: "These findings reflect fundamental differences in the ways in which males and females use humour. Males use humour to appear superior to others, whilst women are more linguistically skilled and prefer word-puns."
An example of a male joke was: "A guy walked into a psychiatrist's office wearing only cling-film underpants. The psychiatrist said: `well, I can clearly see you're nuts."'
Women preferred: "A man walks into a bar with a piece of Tarmac under his arm. He says to the barman: `A pint for me, and one for the road'." -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Mon, December 18, 2006 - 4:37 PMDave J sent me an article you may enjoy reading. It’s a provocative and a humorous article about the nature of humor by the noted writer Christopher Hitchens in the January 2007 issue of Vanity Fair. Apart from the deliberately controversial title, “Why Women Aren't Funny,” Hitchens expresses several interesting anthropological and philosophical ideas. Check it out at
www.vanityfair.com/culture/...ens200701
Feel free to post comments here!
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Fri, January 26, 2007 - 10:46 PMI think my theories relate to this topic.
At best my interrelated theories will be proven physiologically in the realm of neuroscience and/or in terms of a cognitive hierarchy in the the realm of cognitive science or at least, in what the author Sam Harris has recommended to be formed – a Contemplative Science.
Let me know what you all think. : )
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Origins of Thought - Humor
by Michael Stancato
Copyright © 2007
Laughter is a signal of released tension created by the oscillation of incongruous thought patterns. Information somehow sensed as incongruous logic which is stored in the in the Neocortex is sent down to the Amygdala for re-classification. This information is then sent back up to the Neocortex for storage. This re-classification turns out to be equally or more-so out of place according to established patterns of formal logic. After a number of oscillations, laughter signals the non-resolution as the lack of logic between these thoughts causes an abandonment of the attempted association and classification. -
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Re: Humor: what makes something funny?
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:18 PMI found these quick ideas on the nature of humor today on www.livescience.com/health/t...nd-1.html
Laughter is one of the least understood of human behaviors. Scientists have found that during a good laugh three parts of the brain light up: a thinking part that helps you get the joke, a movement area that tells your muscles to move, and an emotional region that elicits the "giddy" feeling. But it remains unknown why one person laughs at your brother's foolish jokes while another chuckles while watching a horror movie.
John Morreall, who is a pioneer of humor research at the College of William and Mary, has found that laughter is a playful response to incongruities--stories that disobey conventional expectations.
Others in the humor field point to laughter as a way of signaling to another person that this action is meant "in fun."
One thing is clear: Laughter makes us feel better.
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